Re: [PATCH, RFC] v4 scalable classic RCU implementation

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From: Manfred Spraul
Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008 - 4:09 am

Hi Paul,

Some further thoughts about design differences between your and my 
implementation:

- rcutree's qsmaskinit  is the worst-case list of cpus that could be in 
rcu read side critical sections.
- rcustate's cpu_total is the accurate list of cpus that could be in rcu 
read side critical sections.

Both variables are read rarely: for rcu_state, twice per grace period.

rcutree fixes up cpus that are "incorrectly" listed in qsmaskinit with 
force_quiescent_state(). It forces rcutree to use a cpu bitmask for 
qsmask and it forces rcutree to store the "done" information in a global 
structure. Additionately, in the worst case force_quiescent_state() must 
loop over all cpus.
rcustate can use per-cpu structures and a global atomic_t. There is no 
loop over all cpus. That's a big advantage, thus I think it's worth the 
effort to maintain an accurate list.
Unfortunately, I don't have an efficient implementation for the accurate 
list.

Some random ideas:
- cpu_total is only read rarely. Thus it would be ok if the read 
operation is expensive [e.g. collect data from multiple cachelines, 
acquire spinlocks...]
- updates to cpu_total happen with every interrupt on an idle system 
with no_hz.
    Thus it must be very scalable, preferably per-cpu data.
    And: Updates are far more frequent than grace periods.
- updates to cpu_total happen nearly never without no_hz.
   Especially: far less frequent than grace periods.

What about adding an "invalid" flag to cpu_total? The "real" data is 
stored in per-cpu structures.
- when a cpu enters/leaves nohz, then it invalidates the global 
cpu_total and updates a per-cpu structure
- when the state machine needs the number of rcu-tracked cpus, then it 
checks if the global cpu_total is valid.
If it's valid, then cpu_total is used directly. Otherwise the per-cpu 
structures are enumerated and the new value is stored as cpu_total.

What do you think?

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    Manfred
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Re: [PATCH, RFC, tip/core/rcu] scalable classic RCU implem ..., Paul E. McKenney, (Fri Aug 22, 10:22 am)
Re: [PATCH, RFC, tip/core/rcu] scalable classic RCU implem ..., Paul E. McKenney, (Wed Aug 27, 11:28 am)
Re: [PATCH, RFC, tip/core/rcu] scalable classic RCU implem ..., Paul E. McKenney, (Wed Aug 27, 11:34 am)
Re: [PATCH, RFC, tip/core/rcu] v3 scalable classic RCU imp ..., Paul E. McKenney, (Sat Aug 30, 12:38 pm)
Re: [PATCH, RFC, tip/core/rcu] v3 scalable classic RCU imp ..., Paul E. McKenney, (Sun Aug 31, 10:20 am)
Re: [PATCH, RFC, tip/core/rcu] v3 scalable classic RCU imp ..., Paul E. McKenney, (Sun Aug 31, 10:55 am)
Re: [PATCH, RFC, tip/core/rcu] v3 scalable classic RCU imp ..., Paul E. McKenney, (Sun Aug 31, 12:23 pm)
[PATCH, RFC] v4 scalable classic RCU implementation, Paul E. McKenney, (Fri Sep 5, 8:29 am)
Re: [PATCH, RFC] v4 scalable classic RCU implementation, Andrew Morton, (Fri Sep 5, 12:33 pm)
Re: [PATCH, RFC] v4 scalable classic RCU implementation, Paul E. McKenney, (Fri Sep 5, 4:04 pm)
Re: [PATCH, RFC] v4 scalable classic RCU implementation, Andrew Morton, (Fri Sep 5, 4:52 pm)
Re: [PATCH, RFC] v4 scalable classic RCU implementation, Paul E. McKenney, (Fri Sep 5, 9:16 pm)
Re: [PATCH, RFC] v4 scalable classic RCU implementation, Manfred Spraul, (Sat Sep 6, 9:37 am)
Re: [PATCH, RFC] v4 scalable classic RCU implementation, Paul E. McKenney, (Sun Sep 7, 10:25 am)
Re: [PATCH, RFC] v4 scalable classic RCU implementation, Paul E. McKenney, (Mon Sep 15, 9:02 am)
Re: [PATCH, RFC] v4 scalable classic RCU implementation, Manfred Spraul, (Tue Sep 16, 9:52 am)
Re: [PATCH, RFC] v4 scalable classic RCU implementation, Paul E. McKenney, (Tue Sep 16, 10:30 am)
Re: [PATCH, RFC] v4 scalable classic RCU implementation, Manfred Spraul, (Tue Sep 16, 10:48 am)
Re: [PATCH, RFC] v4 scalable classic RCU implementation, Paul E. McKenney, (Tue Sep 16, 11:22 am)
Re: [PATCH, RFC] v4 scalable classic RCU implementation, Manfred Spraul, (Sun Sep 21, 4:09 am)
Re: [PATCH, RFC] v4 scalable classic RCU implementation, Paul E. McKenney, (Sun Sep 21, 2:14 pm)
[PATCH, RFC] v6 scalable classic RCU implementation, Paul E. McKenney, (Tue Sep 23, 4:53 pm)
Re: [PATCH, RFC] v6 scalable classic RCU implementation, Ingo Molnar, (Thu Sep 25, 12:26 am)
Re: [PATCH, RFC] v6 scalable classic RCU implementation, Ingo Molnar, (Thu Sep 25, 12:29 am)
Re: [PATCH, RFC] v6 scalable classic RCU implementation, Paul E. McKenney, (Thu Sep 25, 7:05 am)
Re: [PATCH, RFC] v6 scalable classic RCU implementation, Paul E. McKenney, (Thu Sep 25, 7:18 am)
[PATCH, RFC] v7 scalable classic RCU implementation, Paul E. McKenney, (Fri Oct 10, 9:09 am)
Re: [PATCH, RFC] v7 scalable classic RCU implementation, Manfred Spraul, (Sun Oct 12, 8:52 am)
Re: [PATCH, RFC] v7 scalable classic RCU implementation, Paul E. McKenney, (Sun Oct 12, 3:46 pm)
Re: [PATCH, RFC] v7 scalable classic RCU implementation, Manfred Spraul, (Mon Oct 13, 11:03 am)
Re: [PATCH, RFC] v7 scalable classic RCU implementation, Paul E. McKenney, (Tue Oct 14, 6:11 pm)
Re: [PATCH, RFC] v7 scalable classic RCU implementation, Manfred Spraul, (Wed Oct 15, 1:13 am)
Re: [PATCH, RFC] v7 scalable classic RCU implementation, Paul E. McKenney, (Wed Oct 15, 8:26 am)
Re: [PATCH, RFC] v7 scalable classic RCU implementation, Gautham R Shenoy, (Fri Oct 17, 1:34 am)
Re: [PATCH, RFC] v7 scalable classic RCU implementation, Gautham R Shenoy, (Fri Oct 17, 8:35 am)
Re: [PATCH, RFC] v7 scalable classic RCU implementation, Paul E. McKenney, (Fri Oct 17, 8:43 am)
Re: [PATCH, RFC] v7 scalable classic RCU implementation, Paul E. McKenney, (Fri Oct 17, 8:46 am)
Re: [PATCH, RFC] v7 scalable classic RCU implementation, Manfred Spraul, (Wed Oct 22, 11:41 am)
Re: [PATCH, RFC] v7 scalable classic RCU implementation, Paul E. McKenney, (Wed Oct 22, 2:02 pm)
Re: [PATCH, RFC] v7 scalable classic RCU implementation, Manfred Spraul, (Wed Oct 22, 2:24 pm)
Re: [PATCH, RFC] v7 scalable classic RCU implementation, Paul E. McKenney, (Mon Oct 27, 9:45 am)
Re: [PATCH, RFC] v7 scalable classic RCU implementation, Manfred Spraul, (Mon Oct 27, 12:48 pm)
Re: [PATCH, RFC] v7 scalable classic RCU implementation, Paul E. McKenney, (Mon Oct 27, 4:52 pm)
Re: [PATCH, RFC] v7 scalable classic RCU implementation, Manfred Spraul, (Mon Oct 27, 10:30 pm)
Re: [PATCH, RFC] v7 scalable classic RCU implementation, Paul E. McKenney, (Tue Oct 28, 8:17 am)
Re: [PATCH, RFC] v7 scalable classic RCU implementation, Manfred Spraul, (Tue Oct 28, 10:21 am)
Re: [PATCH, RFC] v7 scalable classic RCU implementation, Paul E. McKenney, (Tue Oct 28, 10:35 am)
Re: [PATCH, RFC] v7 scalable classic RCU implementation, Manfred Spraul, (Sun Nov 2, 1:10 pm)
Re: [PATCH, RFC] v7 scalable classic RCU implementation, Paul E. McKenney, (Mon Nov 3, 1:33 pm)
Re: [PATCH, RFC] v7 scalable classic RCU implementation, Manfred Spraul, (Wed Nov 5, 12:48 pm)
Re: [PATCH, RFC] v7 scalable classic RCU implementation, Paul E. McKenney, (Wed Nov 5, 2:27 pm)
[PATCH, RFC] v8 scalable classic RCU implementation, Paul E. McKenney, (Sat Nov 15, 4:20 pm)
Re: [PATCH, RFC] v7 scalable classic RCU implementation, Paul E. McKenney, (Mon Dec 8, 11:42 am)