Re: [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linuxinterfaceforon access scanning

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To: Press, Jonathan <Jonathan.Press@...>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@...>, <linux-kernel@...>, <malware-list@...>, <linux-security-module@...>, Arjan van de Ven <arjan@...>
Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008 - 11:08 am

On Wed, Aug 06, 2008 at 08:10:53AM -0400, Press, Jonathan wrote:

The problem with your example is that it ignores the cost; the cost in
code maintenance; the cost in performance, etc.  That's the problem an
absolutist view towards security.  Going back to the your sparying
analogy, if the illness is considered *so* utterly deadly that you
don't consider the costs of beneficial insects dieing, children
getting exposed so badly that they get cancer five years later,
etc. --- then the argument would be heck, let's spray every day!
Let's spray every hour!  Let's have a insectside misters going 24
hours a day in the parks and in the schools!!!

In the TSA example, let's force every single traveller to strip naked
publically and be submitted to body cavity searches!  Since
**obviously** stopping terrorist bombs is so important that no other
considerations need to be taken into account.  Oh, and we should
obviously also give all of our financial information to the security
agencies so they can do futher screens to look for terrorists; who
cares about the risks that laptops with all of that unencrypted data
will be stolen out of a locked office in the San Francisco airport?

Similarly there are costs to doing all of this extra scanning.  You're
getting carried away here way you say that it never hurts to do extra
scanning, and that we don't need to decide whether or not it makes
sense to do it all.  That's just stupid.  The whole defense in depth,
taken to extremes, leads to completely nonsensical thinking.  Security
is *defintiely* a cost/benefit tradeoff, and to do something
meaningful here we need to think rationally about the threat
environment --- and part of that threat environment is the existing
security systems in Linux, which are definitely far more powerful than
what DOS/Windows have.

							- Ted
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Sidebar to [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linux..., David Collier-Brown, (Wed Aug 6, 7:40 am)
Re: [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linuxinterfa..., David Collier-Brown, (Mon Aug 11, 12:11 pm)
Re: [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linuxinterfa..., Arjan van de Ven, (Wed Aug 13, 10:28 am)
Re: [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linuxinterfa..., Theodore Tso, (Wed Aug 6, 11:08 am)
Re: [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linux interf..., David Collier-Brown, (Wed Aug 6, 7:31 am)