Re: [regression] usb: sometimes dead keyboard after boot

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From: Alan Stern
Date: Saturday, August 30, 2008 - 7:21 pm

On Sat, 30 Aug 2008, Frans Pop wrote:


It _is_ confusing.  There's so much going on at boot time, with tons of
processes all trying to run at once...  Small changes can have
unexpectedly large effects.

What I said before was that the UHCI controllers are discovered and
registered before the EHCI controller.  That's different from the order
in which the drivers are loaded, however; driver loading is managed
by the hotplug infrastructure in userspace, which is outside the
kernel's control.  If your drivers had been built into the kernel
instead of as separate modules, then they would be probed in order of 
discovery -- which would mean ehci-hcd would _always_ come after 
uhci-hcd, not what you want.

(Actually even this might not be true any more.  There are patches in 
development which make certain parts of the kernel initialization, 
including driver probing, run in parallel threads rather than 
serially.)


So it worked as intended.


Both statements are correct.  The initialization of the devices on 
buses 3 and 4 _was_ complete.  But the drivers were loaded later, so 
driver probing and/or normal driver operation were in progress when 
ehci-hcd interrupted things.  Initialization != probing.

Remember what I said earlier, that EHCI initialization would interfere 
with _any_ ongoing operations on the companion controllers?  Now you're 
seeing that effect in action.


I still regard this more as a band-aid than anything else.  In fact, it 
should (in theory) be _safer_ to interrupt things during device 
initialization than later, after the driver has started up.  So I'm not 
at all certain the patch should be merged.

Tomorrow I'll try asking for comments from other people on the mailing
list...

Alan Stern

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