Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?

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To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...>
Cc: Stoyan Gaydarov <stoyboyker@...>, <linux-kernel@...>, Alan Cox <alan@...>, <akpm@...>, <mingo@...>
Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 10:24 am

[Linus Torvalds - Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 07:22:04PM -0700]
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| 
| On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, Stoyan Gaydarov wrote:
| > 
| > Second I wanted to talk about the linux 2.7.x kernel, whats in the
| > making or maybe even not started
| 
| Nothing.
| 
| I'm not going back to the old model. The new model is so much better that 
| it's not even worth entertaining as a theory to go back.
| 
| That said, I _am_ considering changing just the numbering. Not to go back 
| to the old model, but because a constantly increasing minor number leads 
| to big numbers. I'm not all that thrilled with "26" as a number: it's hard 
| to remember.
| 
| So I would not dismiss (and have been thinking about starting) talk about 
| a simple numbering reset (perhaps yearly), but the old model of 3-year 
| developement trees is simply not coming back as far as I'm concerned.
| 
| In fact, I think the time-based releases (ie the "2 weeks of merge window 
| until -rc1, followed by roughly two months of stabilization") has been so 
| successful that I'd prefer to skip the version numbering model too. We 
| don't do releases based on "features" any more, so why should we do 
| version _numbering_ based on "features"?
| 
| For example, I don't see any individual feature that would merit a jump 
| from 2.x to 3.x or even from 2.6.x to 2.8.x. So maybe those version jumps 
| should be done by a time-based model too - matching how we actually do 
| releases anyway.
| 
| So if the version were to be date-based, instead of releasing 2.6.26, 
| maybe we could have 2008.7 instead. Or just increment the major version 
| every decade, the middle version every year, and the minor version every 
| time we make a release. Whatever.
| 
| But three-year development trees with a concurrent stable tree? Nope. Not 
| going to happen.
| 
| 		Linus
| 

Hi to all! Since I've been Cc'ed :) I think I'm not the right person
to be asked about numbering scheme (and since I'm not that long in
kernel) BUT actually I think there is only one question - it's not
about how to number the kernel but rather what we trying to say by
numbering scheme. Some areas should be distinguished:

	- development/stable team
	- distros
	- regular users

Most developers work with git trees and rather carries about sha1 then
a version number :) So eventually numbering scheme is not that important
for developers by its own.

Distros - well, i think distros use they own scheme anyway so they don't
really care about kernel versioning scheme (Gentoo-2008, Fedora-9, Ubuntu-8.04...)

So we have the quite large group of people which should be considered for
convenient versioning scheme - _regular users_. Lets say I'm a regular user -
the most convenient scheme for me would be YYYY.r.s i think since it tells
me - this kernel is fresh enough to be used on my shining laptop, and maybe
it even supports all hardware I have! And at least it looks good -

	Linux-2008.0.0

but personally i don't really care that much :)

		- Cyrill -
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From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?, Stoyan Gaydarov, (Mon Jul 14, 10:10 pm)
Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?, Linus Torvalds, (Mon Jul 14, 10:22 pm)
Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?, Alan Cox, (Tue Jul 15, 8:38 am)
Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?, H. Peter Anvin, (Tue Jul 15, 2:04 pm)
Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?, Rene Herman, (Wed Jul 16, 12:22 am)
Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?, Peter T. Breuer, (Wed Jul 16, 5:34 am)
Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?, Rafael C. de Almeida, (Wed Jul 16, 2:55 am)
Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?, Rene Herman, (Wed Jul 16, 3:30 am)
Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?, Rene Herman, (Wed Jul 16, 3:17 am)
Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?, Cyrill Gorcunov, (Tue Jul 15, 10:24 am)
Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?, Tobias Brox, (Tue Jul 15, 12:36 pm)
Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?, Byron Stanoszek, (Tue Jul 15, 10:07 am)
Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?, Lennart Sorensen, (Wed Jul 16, 5:14 pm)
Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?, Alex Chiang, (Wed Jul 16, 8:03 pm)
Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?, Lennart Sorensen, (Thu Jul 17, 8:38 am)
Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?, Alex Chiang, (Thu Jul 17, 4:02 pm)
Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?, Andi Kleen, (Tue Jul 15, 6:10 am)
Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?, Lennart Sorensen, (Wed Jul 16, 5:11 pm)
Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?, Linus Torvalds, (Tue Jul 15, 11:20 am)
Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?, Jan Engelhardt, (Tue Jul 15, 7:31 am)
Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?, Stoyan Gaydarov, (Mon Jul 14, 10:31 pm)
Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?, Linus Torvalds, (Mon Jul 14, 10:47 pm)
Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?, Adrian Bunk, (Tue Jul 15, 4:43 pm)
Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?, Adrian Bunk, (Thu Jul 17, 6:16 pm)
Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?, Jan Engelhardt, (Wed Jul 16, 3:53 am)
Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?, Rene Herman, (Wed Jul 16, 3:57 am)
Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?, Charles grey wolf Banas, (Tue Jul 15, 2:06 pm)
Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?, Kasper Sandberg, (Tue Jul 15, 8:41 am)
Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?, Alberto Gonzalez, (Tue Jul 15, 9:18 am)
Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?, Bernd Petrovitsch, (Tue Jul 15, 4:29 am)
Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?, Jan Engelhardt, (Tue Jul 15, 3:49 am)
Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?, Jan Engelhardt, (Thu Jul 17, 1:25 pm)
Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?, Craig Milo Rogers, (Thu Jul 17, 3:56 pm)
Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?, Jan Engelhardt, (Thu Jul 17, 4:21 pm)
Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?, Craig Milo Rogers, (Sat Jul 19, 4:00 am)
Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?, Peter T. Breuer, (Sat Jul 19, 3:30 pm)
Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?, Craig Milo Rogers, (Sat Jul 19, 5:16 pm)
Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?, Peter T. Breuer, (Sat Jul 19, 7:10 pm)
Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?, Rene Herman, (Sat Jul 19, 4:52 am)
Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?, Craig Milo Rogers, (Sat Jul 19, 4:49 pm)
Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?, Rene Herman, (Sun Jul 20, 4:34 am)
Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?, Stefanos Harhalakis, (Sun Jul 20, 10:53 am)
Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?, , (Sat Jul 19, 4:56 pm)
Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?, Jan Engelhardt, (Sat Jul 19, 5:56 pm)
Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?, , (Mon Jul 14, 11:55 pm)
Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?, Willy Tarreau, (Tue Jul 15, 1:31 am)
Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?, Stoyan Gaydarov, (Tue Jul 15, 3:23 am)
Re: From 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.7?, Rafael C. de Almeida, (Tue Jul 15, 2:40 am)