On Wednesday 04 June 2008 05:33:53 Adrian Bunk wrote:Complexity is a cost, you have to get good bang for the buck when you spend it. When I first started stripping down systems to make embedded masquerading routers back in the late 90's (before linksys came out), I started with a Red Hat install and removed lots and lots of packages. That's the approach we're taking today, and I can say from experience that it's not sustainable. I then wandered to a Linux From Scratch approach, building a system that had nothing in it but what I wanted. Starting from zero and adding stuff, rather than starting from Mt. Crapmore and removing things until the shovel broke. Someday I want to do the same for the Linux kernel. When I started building systems instead of carving them out of blocks of distro, I started with a "hello world" root filesystem, and I want to make a "hello world" kernel. Start with just the boot code that does the jump to C code, only instead of start_kernel() in init/main.c have it call a hello_world() function that prints "hello world" to the console using the early_printk logic, then calls HLT. And does _nothing_else_. Then add stuff back one chunk at a time, sstarting with memory management, then the scheduler and process stuff, then the vfs, and so on. So I know what all the bits do, and how big and complicated they are. And I can document the lot of it as I go. Unfortunately, as a learning experience, I estimate this would take me about a year. And I haven't got a spare year on me at the moment. But it remains prominently on my todo list, if I decide to start another major project. (Maybe after I get a 1.0 release of FWL out.) The whackamole approach is never going to turn Ubuntu into Damn Small Linux, and it ignores the needs of the people who don't want the /proc hairball but _do_ want a ps that works. Rob -- "One of my most productive days was throwing away 1000 lines of code." - Ken Thompson. --
| Eric Paris | TALPA - a threat model? well sorta. |
| Greg Kroah-Hartman | [PATCH 004/196] Chinese: add translation of SubmittingPatches |
| Linus Torvalds | Linux 2.6.27-rc8 |
| Rafael J. Wysocki | [Bug #10741] bug in `tty: BKL pushdown'? |
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| David Brown | Re: Something is broken in repack |
| H. Peter Anvin | Re: First cut at git port to Cygwin |
| Kevin Leung | Edit log message after commit |
| Johannes Schindelin | Re: Official Git Homepage change? Re: git-scm.com |
| Richard Stallman | Real men don't attack straw men |
| GVG GVG | ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
| Daniel Ouellet | identifying sparse files and get ride of them trick available? |
| Michael | Re: running mail server at home |
| Gerrit Renker | [PATCH 13/37] dccp: Deprecate Ack Ratio sysctl |
| David Miller | Re: [PATCH] pkt_sched: Destroy gen estimators under rtnl_lock(). |
| Jussi Kivilinna | [PATCH 02/14] [cdc_ether] Hardwire CDC descriptors when missing |
| Denis V. Lunev | [PATCH 12/17 net-2.6.26] [NETNS]: Process /proc/net/rt_cache inside a namespace. |
