On Wednesday 25 June 2008 09:02:48 pm Zhao Yakui wrote:
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> On Wed, 2008-06-25 at 09:08 -0600, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
> > On Tuesday 24 June 2008 07:37:37 pm Zhao Yakui wrote:
> > > On Tue, 2008-06-24 at 13:52 +0200, Vegard Nossum wrote:
> > > > On 6/24/08, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu> wrote:
> > > > > i havent seen the warning reappear with your fix after thousands of
> > > > > bootups - so i guess we can consider it fixed.
> > > > >
> > > > > Len, please consider the patch below. (it's in tip/out-of-tree)
> > > > 
> > > > No, please don't :-)
> > > > 
> > > > It fixes your particular case (the acpi_rtc_init() hunk of the patch),
> > > > but the acpi_walk_namespace() part should be changed to a WARN(). But
> > > > that is likely to cause a lot of "spurious" reports, so the other acpi
> > > > drivers should be fixed as well.
> > > In fact this issue is related with the following factors:
> > >    a. when acpi is disabled, OS won't initialize the ACPI mutex, which
> > > is accessed by many ACPI interface functions. For example:
> > > acpi_walk_namespace, acpi_install_fixed_event_handler.
> > >    b. When acpi is disabled, some drivers will call the ACPI interface
> > > functions. For example: The acpi_walk_namespace is called in
> > > dock_init/bay_init.
> > 
> > I think most current uses of acpi_walk_namespace() are indications
> > that the ACPI or PNP core is missing something.
> I don't think so. The acpi_walk_namespace is used to enumerate the ACPI
> tree and execute some specific operations. For example: Add the device
> notification function for some type of device; call the INI method for
> all the device.

There are exceptions, and obviously acpi_walk_namespace() will be
needed some places.

One example where I think acpi_walk_namespace() should not be used
is to register notification functions for device addition/removal.
I think the ACPI core should be handling those notify events and
turning them into add()/remove() calls to the driver.

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> > In dock_init() and bay_init(), it's used to bind a driver to a
> > device.  I think it would be better if we could figure out how to
> > use the usual acpi_bus_register_driver() interface.  Actually, it
> > looks like this is already 90% done: acpi_dock_match() does the
> > same thing as is_dock(), so it looks like dock_init() could easily
> > be converted to register as a driver for ACPI_DOCK_HID.
> Maybe what you said is reasonable if the dock/bay device exists and is
> added to Linux ACPI device tree. But if the status of bay/dock device
> doesn't exist , it won't be added into the Linux ACPI device tree. In
> such case the dock/bay driver won't be loaded for it. So it will be
> reasonable to enumerate the acpi tree to install the notification
> function for the dock device so that OS can receive the notification
> event when the dock device is hotplugged. 

If the bay/dock device doesn't exist, we shouldn't need a driver
for it.  The normal scenario for non-ACPI drivers is that we load
a driver when a device appears.  That doesn't work very well in
this case because the ACPI core is missing the "TBD: Handle device
insertion/removal" stuff I mentioned earlier.

I know it's not very useful for me to talk about this without
providing any patches, so I'll shut up now.

Bjorn

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