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Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1

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To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@...>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <matthew@...>, Andrew Morton <akpm@...>, J. Bruce Fields <bfields@...>, Zhang, Yanmin <yanmin_zhang@...>, LKML <linux-kernel@...>, Alexander Viro <viro@...>, <linux-fsdevel@...>
Date: Wednesday, May 7, 2008 - 3:01 pm

On Wed, 7 May 2008, Ingo Molnar wrote:

No it doesn't. The counter isn't used for any actual *testing*, so the 
locking around it and the serialization of it has absolutely no impact on 
the scheduling behaviour!

Since the big slowdown was clearly accompanied by sleeping behaviour (the 
processes who didn't get the lock end up sleeping!), that is a *big* part 
of the slowdown.

Is it possible that your patch gets similar behaviour? Absolutely. But 
you're missing the whole point here. Anybody can make code behave badly 
and perform worse. But if you want to just verify that it's about the 
sleeping behaviour and timings of the BKL, then you need to do exactly 
that: emulate the sleeping behavior, not just the timings _outside_ of the 
sleeping behavior.

The thing is, we definitely are interested to see whether it's the BKL or 
some other semaphore that is the problem. But the best way to test that is 
to just try my patch that *guarantees* that the BKL doesn't have any 
semaphore behaviour AT ALL.

Could it be something else entirely? Yes. We know it's semaphore- related. 
We don't know for a fact that it's the BKL itself. There could be other 
semaphores that are that hot. It sounds unlikely, but quite frankly, 
regardless, I don't really see the point of your patches.

If Yanmin tries my patch, it is *guaranteed* to show something. It either 
shows that it's about the BKL (and that we absolutely have to do the BKL 
as something _else_ than a generic semaphore), or it shows that it's not 
about the BKL (and that _all_ the patches in this discussion are likely 
pointless).

In contrast, these "try to emulate bad behavior with the old known-ok 
semaphores" don't show anything AT ALL. We already know it's related to 
semaphores. And your patches aren't even guaranteed to show the same 
issue.

		Linus
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AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Zhang, Yanmin, (Tue May 6, 1:48 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Ingo Molnar, (Tue May 6, 7:44 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Zhang, Yanmin, (Tue May 6, 10:11 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Zhang, Yanmin, (Tue May 6, 11:41 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Andi Kleen, (Wed May 7, 7:00 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Alan Cox, (Wed May 7, 9:59 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Matthew Wilcox, (Wed May 7, 7:46 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Andi Kleen, (Wed May 7, 8:21 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Wed May 7, 10:36 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Ingo Molnar, (Wed May 7, 12:20 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Wed May 7, 12:35 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Ingo Molnar, (Wed May 7, 1:05 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Wed May 7, 1:24 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Ingo Molnar, (Wed May 7, 1:36 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Wed May 7, 1:55 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Matthew Wilcox, (Wed May 7, 1:59 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Wed May 7, 2:17 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Ingo Molnar, (Wed May 7, 2:49 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Wed May 7, 11:19 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Zhang, Yanmin, (Wed May 7, 10:44 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Ingo Molnar, (Thu May 8, 2:43 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Zhang, Yanmin, (Thu May 8, 3:14 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Ingo Molnar, (Thu May 8, 3:39 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Zhang, Yanmin, (Thu May 8, 4:44 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Ingo Molnar, (Thu May 8, 5:21 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Zhang, Yanmin, (Thu May 8, 5:30 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Ingo Molnar, (Thu May 8, 5:29 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Andrew Morton, (Thu May 8, 2:48 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Wed May 7, 11:29 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Zhang, Yanmin, (Thu May 8, 12:08 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Thu May 8, 12:17 am)
[git pull] scheduler fixes, Ingo Molnar, (Thu May 8, 11:10 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Matthew Wilcox, (Sun May 11, 7:03 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Sven Wegener, (Sun May 11, 10:10 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Ingo Molnar, (Sun May 11, 9:01 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Matthew Wilcox, (Sun May 11, 9:06 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Ingo Molnar, (Sun May 11, 9:45 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Matthew Wilcox, (Sun May 11, 7:48 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Ingo Molnar, (Sun May 11, 8:50 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Ingo Molnar, (Sun May 11, 8:52 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Matthew Wilcox, (Sun May 11, 9:02 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Ingo Molnar, (Sun May 11, 9:54 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Matthew Wilcox, (Sun May 11, 10:22 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Ingo Molnar, (Sun May 11, 10:32 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Linus Torvalds, (Sun May 11, 12:47 pm)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Matthew Wilcox, (Sun May 11, 10:46 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Matthew Wilcox, (Sun May 11, 9:26 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Ingo Molnar, (Sun May 11, 10:00 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Matthew Wilcox, (Sun May 11, 10:18 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Ingo Molnar, (Sun May 11, 10:42 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Matthew Wilcox, (Sun May 11, 10:48 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Ingo Molnar, (Sun May 11, 11:19 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Matthew Wilcox, (Sun May 11, 11:29 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Ingo Molnar, (Tue May 13, 10:11 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Matthew Wilcox, (Tue May 13, 10:21 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Ingo Molnar, (Tue May 13, 10:42 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Matthew Wilcox, (Tue May 13, 11:28 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Ingo Molnar, (Tue May 13, 1:13 pm)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Linus Torvalds, (Tue May 13, 1:22 pm)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Ingo Molnar, (Tue May 13, 5:05 pm)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Matthew Wilcox, (Sun May 11, 7:14 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Adrian Bunk, (Thu May 8, 11:33 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Ingo Molnar, (Thu May 8, 11:41 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Adrian Bunk, (Thu May 8, 3:42 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Ingo Molnar, (Wed May 7, 1:14 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Andi Kleen, (Wed May 7, 10:57 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Andrew Morton, (Wed May 7, 11:31 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Matthew Wilcox, (Wed May 7, 12:22 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Alan Cox, (Wed May 7, 10:35 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Wed May 7, 11:00 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Wed May 7, 11:02 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Ingo Molnar, (Wed May 7, 2:26 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Ingo Molnar, (Wed May 7, 2:28 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Zhang, Yanmin, (Wed May 7, 3:05 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Andrew Morton, (Tue May 6, 11:59 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Zhang, Yanmin, (Wed May 7, 12:46 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Matthew Wilcox, (Tue May 6, 8:09 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Matthew Wilcox, (Tue May 6, 12:23 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Zhang, Yanmin, (Wed May 7, 11:24 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Wed May 7, 11:34 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Zhang, Yanmin, (Thu May 8, 12:37 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Thu May 8, 10:58 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Andrew Morton, (Tue May 6, 1:21 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Matthew Wilcox, (Wed May 7, 12:38 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Wed May 7, 12:55 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Wed May 7, 1:08 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Ingo Molnar, (Wed May 7, 1:22 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Wed May 7, 1:31 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Ingo Molnar, (Wed May 7, 1:49 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Wed May 7, 2:02 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Ingo Molnar, (Wed May 7, 2:17 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Wed May 7, 2:27 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Ingo Molnar, (Wed May 7, 2:43 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Wed May 7, 3:01 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Matthew Wilcox, (Wed May 7, 3:24 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Wed May 7, 3:44 pm)
Oi. NFS people. Read this., Matthew Wilcox, (Wed May 7, 4:00 pm)
Re: Oi. NFS people. Read this., Trond Myklebust, (Wed May 7, 6:10 pm)
Re: Oi. NFS people. Read this., J. Bruce Fields, (Thu May 8, 9:43 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Ingo Molnar, (Wed May 7, 3:09 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Wed May 7, 1:47 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Ingo Molnar, (Wed May 7, 1:25 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Andrew Morton, (Wed May 7, 1:16 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Wed May 7, 1:27 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Tue May 6, 1:45 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Ingo Molnar, (Tue May 6, 1:39 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Zhang, Yanmin, (Wed May 7, 2:49 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Matthew Wilcox, (Tue May 6, 1:31 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Ingo Molnar, (Tue May 6, 1:49 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Andrew Morton, (Tue May 6, 2:07 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Matthew Wilcox, (Sun May 11, 7:11 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Tue May 6, 12:36 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, J. Bruce Fields, (Tue May 6, 12:44 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Matthew Wilcox, (Tue May 6, 12:42 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Tue May 6, 4:28 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Alan Cox, (Tue May 6, 12:39 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Matthew Wilcox, (Tue May 6, 12:51 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Tue May 6, 1:42 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Alan Cox, (Tue May 6, 12:45 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Matthew Wilcox, (Tue May 6, 7:18 am)
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