Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1

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To: Andi Kleen <andi@...>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <matthew@...>, Zhang, Yanmin <yanmin_zhang@...>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...>, LKML <linux-kernel@...>, Alexander Viro <viro@...>, Andrew Morton <akpm@...>
Date: Wednesday, May 7, 2008 - 10:36 am

On Wed, 7 May 2008, Andi Kleen wrote:

I do agree. 

I think turning the BKL into a semaphore was fine per se, but that was 
when semaphores were fast. 

Considering the apparent AIM regressions, we really either need to revert 
the semaphore consolidation, or we need to fix the kernel lock. And by 
"fixing", I don't mean removing it - it will happen, but it almost 
certainly won't happen for 2.6.26.

The easiest approach would seem to just turn the BKL into a mutex instead, 
which should hopefully be about as optimized as the old semaphores.

But my preferred option would indeed be just turning it back into a 
spinlock - and screw latency and BKL preemption - and having the RT people 
who care deeply just work on removing the BKL in the long run.

Is BKL preemption worth it? Sounds very dubious. Sounds even more dubious 
when we now apparently have even more reason to aim for removing the BKL 
rather than trying to mess around with it.

			Linus
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AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Zhang, Yanmin, (Tue May 6, 1:48 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Ingo Molnar, (Tue May 6, 7:44 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Zhang, Yanmin, (Tue May 6, 10:11 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Zhang, Yanmin, (Tue May 6, 11:41 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Andi Kleen, (Wed May 7, 7:00 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Alan Cox, (Wed May 7, 9:59 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Matthew Wilcox, (Wed May 7, 7:46 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Andi Kleen, (Wed May 7, 8:21 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Wed May 7, 10:36 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Ingo Molnar, (Wed May 7, 12:20 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Wed May 7, 12:35 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Ingo Molnar, (Wed May 7, 1:05 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Wed May 7, 1:24 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Ingo Molnar, (Wed May 7, 1:36 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Wed May 7, 1:55 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Matthew Wilcox, (Wed May 7, 1:59 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Wed May 7, 2:17 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Ingo Molnar, (Wed May 7, 2:49 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Wed May 7, 11:19 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Zhang, Yanmin, (Wed May 7, 10:44 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Ingo Molnar, (Thu May 8, 2:43 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Zhang, Yanmin, (Thu May 8, 3:14 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Ingo Molnar, (Thu May 8, 3:39 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Zhang, Yanmin, (Thu May 8, 4:44 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Ingo Molnar, (Thu May 8, 5:21 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Zhang, Yanmin, (Thu May 8, 5:30 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Ingo Molnar, (Thu May 8, 5:29 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Andrew Morton, (Thu May 8, 2:48 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Wed May 7, 11:29 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Zhang, Yanmin, (Thu May 8, 12:08 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Thu May 8, 12:17 am)
[git pull] scheduler fixes, Ingo Molnar, (Thu May 8, 11:10 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Matthew Wilcox, (Sun May 11, 7:03 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Sven Wegener, (Sun May 11, 10:10 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Ingo Molnar, (Sun May 11, 9:01 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Matthew Wilcox, (Sun May 11, 9:06 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Ingo Molnar, (Sun May 11, 9:45 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Matthew Wilcox, (Sun May 11, 7:48 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Ingo Molnar, (Sun May 11, 8:50 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Ingo Molnar, (Sun May 11, 8:52 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Matthew Wilcox, (Sun May 11, 9:02 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Ingo Molnar, (Sun May 11, 9:54 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Matthew Wilcox, (Sun May 11, 10:22 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Ingo Molnar, (Sun May 11, 10:32 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Linus Torvalds, (Sun May 11, 12:47 pm)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Matthew Wilcox, (Sun May 11, 10:46 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Matthew Wilcox, (Sun May 11, 9:26 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Ingo Molnar, (Sun May 11, 10:00 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Matthew Wilcox, (Sun May 11, 10:18 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Ingo Molnar, (Sun May 11, 10:42 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Matthew Wilcox, (Sun May 11, 10:48 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Ingo Molnar, (Sun May 11, 11:19 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Matthew Wilcox, (Sun May 11, 11:29 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Ingo Molnar, (Tue May 13, 10:11 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Matthew Wilcox, (Tue May 13, 10:21 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Ingo Molnar, (Tue May 13, 10:42 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Matthew Wilcox, (Tue May 13, 11:28 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Ingo Molnar, (Tue May 13, 1:13 pm)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Linus Torvalds, (Tue May 13, 1:22 pm)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Ingo Molnar, (Tue May 13, 5:05 pm)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Matthew Wilcox, (Sun May 11, 7:14 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Adrian Bunk, (Thu May 8, 11:33 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Ingo Molnar, (Thu May 8, 11:41 am)
Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes, Adrian Bunk, (Thu May 8, 3:42 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Ingo Molnar, (Wed May 7, 1:14 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Andi Kleen, (Wed May 7, 10:57 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Andrew Morton, (Wed May 7, 11:31 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Matthew Wilcox, (Wed May 7, 12:22 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Alan Cox, (Wed May 7, 10:35 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Wed May 7, 11:00 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Wed May 7, 11:02 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Ingo Molnar, (Wed May 7, 2:26 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Ingo Molnar, (Wed May 7, 2:28 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Zhang, Yanmin, (Wed May 7, 3:05 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Andrew Morton, (Tue May 6, 11:59 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Zhang, Yanmin, (Wed May 7, 12:46 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Matthew Wilcox, (Tue May 6, 8:09 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Matthew Wilcox, (Tue May 6, 12:23 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Zhang, Yanmin, (Wed May 7, 11:24 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Wed May 7, 11:34 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Zhang, Yanmin, (Thu May 8, 12:37 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Thu May 8, 10:58 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Andrew Morton, (Tue May 6, 1:21 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Matthew Wilcox, (Wed May 7, 12:38 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Wed May 7, 12:55 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Wed May 7, 1:08 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Ingo Molnar, (Wed May 7, 1:22 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Wed May 7, 1:31 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Ingo Molnar, (Wed May 7, 1:49 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Wed May 7, 2:02 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Ingo Molnar, (Wed May 7, 2:17 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Wed May 7, 2:27 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Ingo Molnar, (Wed May 7, 2:43 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Wed May 7, 3:01 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Matthew Wilcox, (Wed May 7, 3:24 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Wed May 7, 3:44 pm)
Oi. NFS people. Read this., Matthew Wilcox, (Wed May 7, 4:00 pm)
Re: Oi. NFS people. Read this., Trond Myklebust, (Wed May 7, 6:10 pm)
Re: Oi. NFS people. Read this., J. Bruce Fields, (Thu May 8, 9:43 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Ingo Molnar, (Wed May 7, 3:09 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Wed May 7, 1:47 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Ingo Molnar, (Wed May 7, 1:25 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Andrew Morton, (Wed May 7, 1:16 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Wed May 7, 1:27 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Tue May 6, 1:45 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Ingo Molnar, (Tue May 6, 1:39 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Zhang, Yanmin, (Wed May 7, 2:49 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Matthew Wilcox, (Tue May 6, 1:31 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Ingo Molnar, (Tue May 6, 1:49 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Andrew Morton, (Tue May 6, 2:07 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Matthew Wilcox, (Sun May 11, 7:11 am)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Tue May 6, 12:36 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, J. Bruce Fields, (Tue May 6, 12:44 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Matthew Wilcox, (Tue May 6, 12:42 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Tue May 6, 4:28 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Alan Cox, (Tue May 6, 12:39 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Matthew Wilcox, (Tue May 6, 12:51 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Linus Torvalds, (Tue May 6, 1:42 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Alan Cox, (Tue May 6, 12:45 pm)
Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1, Matthew Wilcox, (Tue May 6, 7:18 am)