Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] How many contributors are we losing

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To: Luck, Tony <tony.luck@...>
Cc: Hugh Dickins <hugh@...>, Greg KH <greg@...>, Dave Jones <davej@...>, James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@...>, <ksummit-2008-discuss@...>, Pekka Enberg <penberg@...>, David Woodhouse <dwmw2@...>, linux-kernel <linux-kernel@...>
Date: Friday, May 30, 2008 - 6:53 pm

On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 03:05:12PM -0700, Luck, Tony wrote:

There's an interesting unspoken assumption here that people who stop
contributing patches which end up in the Linux kernel mailing "no
longer working on the kernel", or "no longer working in Linux", or
"left the community", or (even more of a stretch) people that we have
somehow driven away or that we have failed because they didnt come
back.

Looking at the list.....


	Original author of LILO, does networking research using the
	Linux kernel.  (Has shown up and presented papers at various
	conferences such as FISL and Linux.conf.au.)


	Still working at Red Hat, my last knowledge was that he was in
	Xen hell.....


	Member of IBM Linux Technology Center, Security Team.
	The security team does a lot more than kernel work....


	Was a member of the IBM Linux Technology Center, now working
	for Canonical on Ubuntu's Enterprise Server Team


	Member of the IBM Linux Technology Center, on leave to get an
	advanced degree.


	Git maintainer.  :-)

So lots of stories, and there are plenty of people who are still
working at a company doing Linux work; they're just not happening to
contribute to a kernel.  They might be fixing bugs for customers, or
forward porting Xen for an enterprise distro, or many other things
that are intimately related to the Linux kernel --- just not in ways
that result in patches into mainline.

So if we really want some hard numbers on how many kernel developers
we are "losing", we would probably have to try to contact some of
these people and see if they are willing to answer a survey.  But
given your numbers, I really don't think it's as big a problem as some
people make it out to be....

						- Ted
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[Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project, James Bottomley, (Wed May 28, 1:20 pm)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project, James Bottomley, (Thu May 29, 10:26 am)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project, Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Thu May 29, 2:17 am)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project, Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Thu May 29, 9:20 pm)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project, Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Sun Jun 1, 7:56 pm)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project, Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Thu May 29, 9:25 pm)
RFC: Moving firmware blobs out of the kernel., David Woodhouse, (Thu May 29, 12:15 pm)
Re: RFC: Moving firmware blobs out of the kernel., Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Thu May 29, 9:22 pm)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] RFC: Moving firmware blobs out of..., Mauro Carvalho Chehab, (Sun Jun 8, 7:13 am)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] RFC: Moving firmware blobs out of..., Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo, (Fri May 30, 9:47 am)
Re: RFC: Moving firmware blobs out of the kernel., Jeff Garzik, (Thu May 29, 3:12 pm)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] RFC: Moving firmware blobs out of..., Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Thu May 29, 9:27 pm)
Re: RFC: Moving firmware blobs out of the kernel., David Woodhouse, (Thu May 29, 5:18 pm)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project, James Bottomley, (Thu May 29, 10:36 am)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Thu May 29, 4:24 pm)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Mon Jun 2, 6:43 am)
How many contributors are we losing, Luck, Tony, (Fri May 30, 4:23 pm)
Re: How many contributors are we losing, Josh Boyer, (Fri May 30, 9:12 pm)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] How many contributors are we losing, Theodore Tso, (Fri May 30, 6:53 pm)
Re: How many contributors are we losing, Greg KH, (Fri May 30, 4:47 pm)
Re: How many contributors are we losing, Stefan Richter, (Sat May 31, 3:53 pm)
Re: How many contributors are we losing, Willy Tarreau, (Fri May 30, 4:46 pm)