Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project

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From: Jiri Kosina
Date: Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 8:06 am

On Thu, 29 May 2008, James Bottomley wrote:


I fully agree, but my impression is that this really is not going to be 
easy. Fixing bugs definitely is a good way to start kernel coding -- it 
forces you to understand the internals of the source, get used to the 
coding style by reading the code, etc. Unfortunately, it's simply not very 
attractive for newcomers.

For example -- I am leading a seminar at university, oriented at linux 
kernel internals. I provide the possibility to students either to

- write some stand-alone interesting kernel project
- fix a few non-trivial bugs in kernel bugzilla
- chose any part of a kernel, learn how it works, and present this to 
  other seminar attendees

The feedback I often get from students (and these guys are studying 
computer science) is

- writing some wholy new interesting kernel project is usually too 
  complicated (both coming with an interesting idea for a project, and 
  doing the coding itself)
- fixing random bugs from kernel bugzilla is boring (spending 10 hours 
  looking for missing '=' doesn't really attract them)

So in overwhelming majority of cases, they just chose the presentation.


All I want to say is that I could very well imagine that a lot of 
newcomers will find "hey, feel free to crawl through bugzilla and fix 
whatever you are able to fix" very non-attractive.
Not that I have any better idea right now, though.

-- 
Jiri Kosina
SUSE Labs
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[Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project, James Bottomley, (Wed May 28, 10:20 am)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project, Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Wed May 28, 11:17 pm)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project, Jiri Kosina, (Thu May 29, 8:06 am)
RFC: Moving firmware blobs out of the kernel., David Woodhouse, (Thu May 29, 9:15 am)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project, James Bottomley, (Thu May 29, 10:37 am)
Re: RFC: Moving firmware blobs out of the kernel., Jeff Garzik, (Thu May 29, 12:12 pm)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Thu May 29, 1:24 pm)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] RFC: Moving firmware blobs out ..., Arjan van de Ven, (Thu May 29, 1:29 pm)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] RFC: Moving firmware blobs out ..., Arjan van de Ven, (Thu May 29, 2:11 pm)
Re: RFC: Moving firmware blobs out of the kernel., David Woodhouse, (Thu May 29, 2:18 pm)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project, Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Thu May 29, 6:20 pm)
Re: RFC: Moving firmware blobs out of the kernel., Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Thu May 29, 6:22 pm)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project, Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Thu May 29, 6:25 pm)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] RFC: Moving firmware blobs out ..., Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Thu May 29, 6:27 pm)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] RFC: Moving firmware blobs out ..., Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo, (Fri May 30, 6:47 am)
How many contributors are we losing, Luck, Tony, (Fri May 30, 1:23 pm)
Re: How many contributors are we losing, Willy Tarreau, (Fri May 30, 1:46 pm)
Re: How many contributors are we losing, Greg KH, (Fri May 30, 1:47 pm)
Re: How many contributors are we losing, Josh Boyer, (Fri May 30, 6:12 pm)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project, Lars Noschinski, (Sat May 31, 12:21 pm)
Re: How many contributors are we losing, Stefan Richter, (Sat May 31, 12:53 pm)
Re: s2ram video problems Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing ..., Rafael J. Wysocki, (Sun Jun 1, 10:55 am)
Re: s2ram video problems Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing ..., Rafael J. Wysocki, (Sun Jun 1, 11:14 am)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project, Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Sun Jun 1, 4:56 pm)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Mon Jun 2, 3:43 am)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] RFC: Moving firmware blobs out ..., Mauro Carvalho Chehab, (Sun Jun 8, 4:13 am)