Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project

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To: Pekka Enberg <penberg@...>
Cc: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@...>, <ksummit-2008-discuss@...>, linux-kernel <linux-kernel@...>
Date: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 5:42 pm

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 00:31 +0300, Pekka Enberg wrote:

I'm just outlining the possible solutions; shutting it down wasn't the
one I advocated. One can argue that janitorial changes with enough
intrinsic value tend to get done anyway regardless of whether we have
the project or not.


The problem is that there's something in the way all of this is working
that's causing politeness to get short shrift. In turn that's giving
lkml a larger than normal reputation for being a free for all dog fight
and discouraging potential contributors from coming forwards.

Appeals to be politer tend to only work in the short term (having given
quite a few of them).  I think we're developing a root cause problem in
the way we recruit people to work in the kernel and we have to think
about fixing it there.

James


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[Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project, James Bottomley, (Wed May 28, 1:20 pm)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project, James Bottomley, (Thu May 29, 10:26 am)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project, Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Thu May 29, 2:17 am)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project, Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Thu May 29, 9:20 pm)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project, Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Sun Jun 1, 7:56 pm)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project, Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Thu May 29, 9:25 pm)
RFC: Moving firmware blobs out of the kernel., David Woodhouse, (Thu May 29, 12:15 pm)
Re: RFC: Moving firmware blobs out of the kernel., Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Thu May 29, 9:22 pm)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] RFC: Moving firmware blobs out of..., Mauro Carvalho Chehab, (Sun Jun 8, 7:13 am)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] RFC: Moving firmware blobs out of..., Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo, (Fri May 30, 9:47 am)
Re: RFC: Moving firmware blobs out of the kernel., Jeff Garzik, (Thu May 29, 3:12 pm)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] RFC: Moving firmware blobs out of..., Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Thu May 29, 9:27 pm)
Re: RFC: Moving firmware blobs out of the kernel., David Woodhouse, (Thu May 29, 5:18 pm)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project, James Bottomley, (Wed May 28, 5:42 pm)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project, James Bottomley, (Thu May 29, 10:36 am)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Thu May 29, 4:24 pm)
Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Mon Jun 2, 6:43 am)
How many contributors are we losing, Luck, Tony, (Fri May 30, 4:23 pm)
Re: How many contributors are we losing, Josh Boyer, (Fri May 30, 9:12 pm)
Re: How many contributors are we losing, Greg KH, (Fri May 30, 4:47 pm)
Re: How many contributors are we losing, Stefan Richter, (Sat May 31, 3:53 pm)
Re: How many contributors are we losing, Willy Tarreau, (Fri May 30, 4:46 pm)