On Wed, 21 May 2008 10:41:54 +0100 Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> wrote:

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> On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 01:50:37AM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > On Wed, 21 May 2008 09:34:13 +0100 Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> wrote:
> > 
> > > This is a call for discussion for new maillist on vger.
> > > 
> > > List name: linux-wanking@vger.kernel.org
> > 
> > Oh, what a marvellous way to encourage new contributors that was. Thank
> > you so much.
> > 
> > For the record: Al speaks only for himself and a lack of expressed
> > disagrement from others should not be taken as agreement.
> 
> Of course I speak for myself.  And I am absolutely open about my belief
> that such _contribution_s_ need to be discouraged.  Actively.

There are good ways in which to communicate that and there are bad ways.

Look.  This has absolutely nothing to do with that patch.  Don't care,
doesn't matter, irrelevant, not even going to discuss it in this
context.

I have spoken with engineers both individual and within companies who
have developed and who plan to develop substantial kernel features. 
I'm forever explaining to people why they should work to get that code
merged up.  One reason for their not yet having done so which comes up
again and again is apprehension at the reception they will receive.  In
public.  This problem appears to be especially strong in Asian
countries.  You have just made the situation worse.

But it's not just a self-interest thing.  It is inevitably and
unavoidably the case that when one senior kernel developer acts like an
arrogant hostile dickhead, we will all be increasingly regarded as
arrogant hostile dickheads.
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