Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes

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To: Andrew Morton <akpm@...>
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Date: Friday, May 16, 2008 - 4:53 pm

Andrew Morton wrote:

I actually did a bit of research and found the old thread, honestly.  I
thought this might not be a shoo-in.  :)  Seems worth hashing out, though.


But if journali[zi]ng guarantees are thrown out the window by volatile
caches on disk, why bother with the half-solution?  Slower while you
run, worthless when you lose power?  Sounds like the worst of both
worlds.  (well, ok, experience shows that it's not worthless in practice...)


Hm, how would we know, really?  What does it look like?  It'd totally
depend on what got lost...  When do you find out?  Again depends what
you're doing, I think.  I'll admit that I don't have any good evidence
of my own.  I'll go off and do some plug-pull-testing and a benchmark or
two.

But, drive caches are only getting bigger, I assume this can't help.  I
have a hard time seeing how speed at the cost of correctness is the
right call...


SuSE does (via patch for ext3).  Red Hat & Fedora don't, and install by
default on lvm which won't pass barriers anyway.  So maybe it's
hypocritical to send this patch from redhat.com  :)

And as another "who uses barriers" datapoint, reiserfs & xfs both have
them on by default.

I suppose alternately I could send another patch to remove "remember
that ext3/4 by default offers higher data integrity guarantees than
most." from Documentation/filesystems/ext4.txt  ;)

-Eric

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[PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Eric Sandeen, (Fri May 16, 3:02 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Andrew Morton, (Fri May 16, 4:05 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Eric Sandeen, (Thu May 29, 9:36 am)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Pavel Machek, (Mon May 19, 5:04 am)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Andi Kleen, (Sun May 18, 3:54 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Chris Mason, (Mon May 19, 9:26 am)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Jamie Lokier, (Tue May 20, 11:36 am)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Chris Mason, (Tue May 20, 12:02 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Jamie Lokier, (Tue May 20, 12:27 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Chris Mason, (Tue May 20, 1:08 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Jamie Lokier, (Tue May 20, 6:26 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Theodore Tso, (Mon May 19, 10:46 am)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Ric Wheeler, (Fri May 23, 2:33 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Jamie Lokier, (Fri May 16, 6:30 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Eric Sandeen, (Fri May 16, 4:53 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Jamie Lokier, (Fri May 16, 6:03 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Theodore Tso, (Sun May 18, 8:28 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Jamie Lokier, (Tue May 20, 11:13 am)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Greg Smith, (Wed May 21, 4:25 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Eric Sandeen, (Fri May 16, 6:21 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Andi Kleen, (Sun May 18, 4:03 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Theodore Tso, (Sun May 18, 8:43 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Eric Sandeen, (Sun May 18, 10:29 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Jamie Lokier, (Tue May 20, 7:35 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Andrew Morton, (Mon May 19, 12:11 am)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Chris Mason, (Mon May 19, 1:16 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Daniel Phillips, (Wed May 21, 6:30 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Jamie Lokier, (Tue May 20, 10:58 am)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Chris Mason, (Mon May 19, 2:39 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Pavel Machek, (Wed May 21, 7:22 am)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Andrew Morton, (Wed May 21, 2:03 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Jamie Lokier, (Wed May 21, 3:54 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Theodore Tso, (Wed May 21, 2:29 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Jamie Lokier, (Wed May 21, 3:36 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Chris Mason, (Wed May 21, 3:40 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Andrew Morton, (Wed May 21, 2:49 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Jamie Lokier, (Wed May 21, 3:42 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Eric Sandeen, (Wed May 21, 2:15 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Jamie Lokier, (Wed May 21, 3:43 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Theodore Tso, (Wed May 21, 8:32 am)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Jens Axboe, (Tue May 20, 4:25 am)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Chris Mason, (Tue May 20, 8:17 am)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Jan Kara, (Mon May 19, 6:39 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Chris Mason, (Mon May 19, 8:29 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Timothy Shimmin, (Mon May 19, 11:29 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Chris Mason, (Tue May 20, 8:04 am)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Jamie Lokier, (Fri May 16, 6:53 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Theodore Tso, (Fri May 16, 8:20 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Andrew Morton, (Fri May 16, 8:35 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Chris Mason, (Sat May 17, 8:48 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Jamie Lokier, (Tue May 20, 7:44 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Theodore Tso, (Sat May 17, 9:36 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Ric Wheeler, (Sun May 18, 10:49 am)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Jamie Lokier, (Tue May 20, 7:48 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Jamie Lokier, (Tue May 20, 10:42 am)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Theodore Tso, (Sat May 17, 9:43 am)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Theodore Tso, (Sat May 17, 4:44 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Jamie Lokier, (Tue May 20, 10:45 am)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Andreas Dilger, (Sat May 17, 1:59 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Andrew Morton, (Fri May 16, 4:58 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Jamie Lokier, (Fri May 16, 5:45 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Eric Sandeen, (Fri May 16, 6:03 pm)
Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes, Jamie Lokier, (Fri May 16, 6:09 pm)
[PATCH 4/4] ext4: call blkdev_issue_flush on fsync, Eric Sandeen, (Fri May 16, 3:09 pm)
Re: [PATCH 4/4] ext4: call blkdev_issue_flush on fsync, Theodore Tso, (Mon May 19, 10:34 pm)
Re: [PATCH 4/4] ext4: call blkdev_issue_flush on fsync, Jamie Lokier, (Tue May 20, 11:43 am)
Re: [PATCH 4/4] ext4: call blkdev_issue_flush on fsync, Jamie Lokier, (Tue May 20, 6:02 pm)
Re: [PATCH 4/4] ext4: call blkdev_issue_flush on fsync, Eric Sandeen, (Tue May 20, 11:52 am)
[PATCH 3/4] ext4: enable barriers by default, Eric Sandeen, (Fri May 16, 3:08 pm)
[PATCH 2/4] ext3: call blkdev_issue_flush on fsync, Eric Sandeen, (Fri May 16, 3:07 pm)
Re: [PATCH 2/4] ext3: call blkdev_issue_flush on fsync, Jamie Lokier, (Fri May 16, 6:15 pm)
[PATCH 1/4] ext3: enable barriers by default, Eric Sandeen, (Fri May 16, 3:05 pm)
Re: [PATCH 1/4] ext3: enable barriers by default, Pavel Machek, (Mon May 19, 4:58 am)