Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!

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From: Linus Torvalds
Date: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 - 7:01 pm

On Wed, 30 Apr 2008, David Miller wrote:

I'm not saying we should merge crap.

You can take any argument too far, and clearly it doesn't mean that we 
should just accept *anything*, because it will magically be gilded by its 
mere inclusion into the kernel. No, I'm not going to argue that.

But I do want to argue against the notion that the only way to raise 
quality is to do it before it gets merged. It's often better to merge 
early, and fix the issues the merge brings up early too!

Release early, release often. That was the watch-word early in Linux 
kernel development, and there was a reason for it. And it _worked_. Did it 
mean "release crap, release anything"? No. But it did mean that things got 
lots more exposure - even if those "things" were sometimes bugs.

			Linus
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Slow DOWN, please!!!, David Miller, (Tue Apr 29, 7:03 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, David Newall, (Tue Apr 29, 9:03 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, David Miller, (Tue Apr 29, 9:18 pm)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Arjan van de Ven, (Wed Apr 30, 12:03 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Tarkan Erimer, (Wed Apr 30, 12:11 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, David Newall, (Wed Apr 30, 6:04 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Michael Kerrisk, (Wed Apr 30, 6:18 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, David Newall, (Wed Apr 30, 6:28 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Mike Galbraith, (Wed Apr 30, 6:38 am)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Arjan van de Ven, (Wed Apr 30, 7:15 am)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Arjan van de Ven, (Wed Apr 30, 7:20 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Arjan van de Ven, (Wed Apr 30, 7:28 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, mws, (Wed Apr 30, 7:41 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Peter Teoh, (Wed Apr 30, 7:48 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Apr 30, 7:51 am)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Arjan van de Ven, (Wed Apr 30, 8:02 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Arjan van de Ven, (Wed Apr 30, 8:06 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, David Newall, (Wed Apr 30, 11:21 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Apr 30, 11:27 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, David Newall, (Wed Apr 30, 11:55 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Chris Friesen, (Wed Apr 30, 12:06 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Apr 30, 12:08 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Apr 30, 12:13 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, David Newall, (Wed Apr 30, 12:16 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, David Newall, (Wed Apr 30, 12:22 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Apr 30, 12:25 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Apr 30, 12:36 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Apr 30, 12:42 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Andrew Morton, (Wed Apr 30, 1:00 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Apr 30, 1:05 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Apr 30, 1:14 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Andrew Morton, (Wed Apr 30, 1:15 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Apr 30, 1:20 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Apr 30, 1:31 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Apr 30, 1:45 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Dan Noe, (Wed Apr 30, 1:47 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Andrew Morton, (Wed Apr 30, 1:54 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Apr 30, 1:56 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Andrew Morton, (Wed Apr 30, 1:59 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, David Miller, (Wed Apr 30, 2:21 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Apr 30, 2:30 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Andrew Morton, (Wed Apr 30, 2:37 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Apr 30, 2:37 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Dmitri Vorobiev, (Wed Apr 30, 2:42 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Apr 30, 2:47 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, H. Peter Anvin, (Wed Apr 30, 2:52 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Dmitri Vorobiev, (Wed Apr 30, 3:02 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Jiri Slaby, (Wed Apr 30, 3:06 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Apr 30, 3:08 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Andrew Morton, (Wed Apr 30, 3:10 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Apr 30, 3:19 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Apr 30, 3:19 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, David Miller, (Wed Apr 30, 3:22 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Apr 30, 3:23 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Dmitri Vorobiev, (Wed Apr 30, 3:28 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Apr 30, 3:31 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Apr 30, 3:35 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Apr 30, 3:39 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, david, (Wed Apr 30, 3:40 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Andrew Morton, (Wed Apr 30, 3:41 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Willy Tarreau, (Wed Apr 30, 3:46 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Andrew Morton, (Wed Apr 30, 3:49 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, David Miller, (Wed Apr 30, 3:51 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Andrew Morton, (Wed Apr 30, 3:52 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Mariusz Kozlowski, (Wed Apr 30, 3:53 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, david, (Wed Apr 30, 3:54 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Apr 30, 4:03 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Dmitri Vorobiev, (Wed Apr 30, 4:04 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Andrew Morton, (Wed Apr 30, 4:11 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Willy Tarreau, (Wed Apr 30, 4:12 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Apr 30, 4:20 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Willy Tarreau, (Wed Apr 30, 4:21 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Apr 30, 4:23 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Paul Mackerras, (Wed Apr 30, 4:29 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Greg KH, (Wed Apr 30, 4:34 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Chris Shoemaker, (Wed Apr 30, 4:38 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, david, (Wed Apr 30, 4:41 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Apr 30, 4:45 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Apr 30, 4:51 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, david, (Wed Apr 30, 4:57 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Apr 30, 4:59 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Chris Shoemaker, (Wed Apr 30, 5:01 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, david, (Wed Apr 30, 5:14 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Chris Shoemaker, (Wed Apr 30, 5:15 pm)
RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Adrian Bunk, (Wed Apr 30, 5:31 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Apr 30, 5:38 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Adrian Bunk, (Wed Apr 30, 5:38 pm)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, David Miller, (Wed Apr 30, 5:41 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Apr 30, 5:42 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Apr 30, 5:56 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Adrian Bunk, (Wed Apr 30, 5:57 pm)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Arjan van de Ven, (Wed Apr 30, 6:13 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Apr 30, 6:19 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Adrian Bunk, (Wed Apr 30, 6:25 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Apr 30, 6:25 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Jeremy Fitzhardinge, (Wed Apr 30, 6:30 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Andrew Morton, (Wed Apr 30, 6:31 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Theodore Tso, (Wed Apr 30, 6:35 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Jeremy Fitzhardinge, (Wed Apr 30, 6:39 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Apr 30, 6:40 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Apr 30, 6:40 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Apr 30, 6:43 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, David Miller, (Wed Apr 30, 6:51 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Jeff Garzik, (Wed Apr 30, 6:57 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Apr 30, 7:01 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Adrian Bunk, (Wed Apr 30, 7:13 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, David Miller, (Wed Apr 30, 7:17 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Al Viro, (Wed Apr 30, 7:21 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Apr 30, 7:30 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Nigel Cunningham, (Wed Apr 30, 7:31 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Adrian Bunk, (Wed Apr 30, 7:48 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Frans Pop, (Wed Apr 30, 7:52 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Bob Tracy, (Wed Apr 30, 8:24 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Apr 30, 8:47 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Frans Pop, (Wed Apr 30, 8:53 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Jeff Garzik, (Wed Apr 30, 9:17 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, David Newall, (Wed Apr 30, 9:31 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, David Miller, (Wed Apr 30, 9:37 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Apr 30, 9:46 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Willy Tarreau, (Wed Apr 30, 10:09 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, david, (Wed Apr 30, 10:19 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Willy Tarreau, (Wed Apr 30, 10:35 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Willy Tarreau, (Wed Apr 30, 10:50 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Jan Engelhardt, (Wed Apr 30, 11:15 pm)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Andrew Morton, (Thu May 1, 1:13 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Alan Cox, (Thu May 1, 2:17 am)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Enrico Weigelt, (Thu May 1, 3:30 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Thu May 1, 3:59 am)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Adrian Bunk, (Thu May 1, 4:30 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Thu May 1, 4:38 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Thu May 1, 4:53 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Thu May 1, 5:05 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Will Newton, (Thu May 1, 5:11 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Tarkan Erimer, (Thu May 1, 5:31 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Thu May 1, 5:41 am)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, David Woodhouse, (Thu May 1, 5:42 am)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Thu May 1, 5:53 am)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Adrian Bunk, (Thu May 1, 6:02 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Bartlomiej Zolnierki ..., (Thu May 1, 6:16 am)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Adrian Bunk, (Thu May 1, 6:21 am)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Adrian Bunk, (Thu May 1, 6:23 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Lennart Sorensen, (Thu May 1, 6:49 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Thu May 1, 6:53 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Stefan Richter, (Thu May 1, 6:54 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Thu May 1, 7:06 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Bartlomiej Zolnierki ..., (Thu May 1, 7:35 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Thu May 1, 8:26 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Kasper Sandberg, (Thu May 1, 8:28 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Ray Lee, (Thu May 1, 8:29 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Stefan Richter, (Thu May 1, 8:34 am)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Andrew Morton, (Thu May 1, 8:49 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Diego Calleja, (Thu May 1, 9:26 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Dmitri Vorobiev, (Thu May 1, 9:31 am)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Steven Rostedt, (Thu May 1, 9:38 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Valdis.Kletnieks, (Thu May 1, 9:39 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Thu May 1, 10:09 am)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Andrew Morton, (Thu May 1, 10:18 am)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Theodore Tso, (Thu May 1, 10:24 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Thu May 1, 10:41 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Al Viro, (Thu May 1, 11:11 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Thu May 1, 11:23 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Thu May 1, 11:30 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Stephen Clark, (Thu May 1, 11:32 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Chris Frey, (Thu May 1, 11:35 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Willy Tarreau, (Thu May 1, 11:50 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Adrian Bunk, (Thu May 1, 11:54 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Willy Tarreau, (Thu May 1, 11:58 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Willy Tarreau, (Thu May 1, 12:03 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, david, (Thu May 1, 12:07 pm)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Andrew Morton, (Thu May 1, 12:26 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Willy Tarreau, (Thu May 1, 12:28 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Valdis.Kletnieks, (Thu May 1, 12:36 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Al Viro, (Thu May 1, 12:37 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Friedrich , (Thu May 1, 12:39 pm)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Steven Rostedt, (Thu May 1, 12:39 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, david, (Thu May 1, 12:46 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Willy Tarreau, (Thu May 1, 12:53 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Andrew Morton, (Thu May 1, 12:58 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Joel Becker, (Thu May 1, 1:07 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Thu May 1, 2:59 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Thu May 1, 3:17 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Kevin Winchester, (Thu May 1, 4:06 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Stephen Rothwell, (Thu May 1, 6:48 pm)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Paul Mackerras, (Thu May 1, 7:08 pm)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Paul Mackerras, (Thu May 1, 9:09 pm)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Adrian Bunk, (Fri May 2, 1:29 am)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Adrian Bunk, (Fri May 2, 2:00 am)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Paul Mackerras, (Fri May 2, 3:16 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Andi Kleen, (Fri May 2, 3:20 am)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Adrian Bunk, (Fri May 2, 4:58 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Stefan Richter, (Fri May 2, 5:17 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Enrico Weigelt, (Fri May 2, 6:22 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Helge Hafting, (Fri May 2, 6:37 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Tarkan Erimer, (Fri May 2, 7:05 am)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Linus Torvalds, (Fri May 2, 7:58 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Mariusz Kozlowski, (Fri May 2, 8:33 am)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Carlos R. Mafra, (Fri May 2, 8:44 am)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Linus Torvalds, (Fri May 2, 9:28 am)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Carlos R. Mafra, (Fri May 2, 10:15 am)
RE: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Pallipadi, Venkatesh, (Fri May 2, 11:02 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rene Herman, (Sat May 3, 8:26 pm)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Rene Herman, (Sun May 4, 5:45 am)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Pekka Enberg, (Sun May 4, 6:00 am)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Rene Herman, (Sun May 4, 6:19 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Krzysztof Halasa, (Sun May 4, 6:47 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Jacek Luczak, (Sun May 4, 8:05 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rusty Russell, (Sun May 4, 8:04 pm)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Benny Halevy, (Mon May 5, 3:03 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Jiri Kosina, (Fri May 9, 2:28 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Jeff Garzik, (Fri May 9, 8:00 am)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Carlos R. Mafra, (Fri May 9, 12:30 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Ben Dooks, (Mon May 12, 2:27 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Pavel Machek, (Wed May 14, 7:55 am)