Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!

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To: David Newall <davidn@...>
Cc: David Miller <davem@...>, <linux-kernel@...>
Date: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 - 10:51 am

On Wed, 30 Apr 2008, David Newall wrote:

Lol. You should try VMS. Now *there* was a stable system.

Oh, but it didn't actually make any progress, did it?

The fact is, we're merging a lot. It comes from having a lot of 
development. If you don't want that, then you're a fool - because you 
aren't looking at the long term.


Can you point to any actual stability problem?

The problem under discussion is the fact that some people are unhappy 
because we had some merge trouble. The fact is, the problems got fixed in 
a few days. And yes, we will probably will have to make Ingo follow the 
rules that pretty much everybody else also follows, and no, it's not going 
to solve all problems either - the fundamental issue is that we are just 
too damn good at development.

And that's not a big problem in my view, as long as we are also also able 
to handle the _result_ of that flood of patches. Which, quite frankly, we 
are.

DavidN, you just have an agenda, and you think that mentioning BSD as some 
kind of shining example of goodness is a good way to reach that agenda. It 
isn't. It just shows that you don't understand the issue, and that you 
think that "threatening" developers by saying you'll switch is a great way 
to make PR.

But you know what? I really don't care one _whit_ what you do. You can 
switch to Vista for all I care, and I really don't mind. All I care about 
is doing a good job technically. 

And you just show that you don't have a clue what you are talking about. 
If you want stable kernel, don't follow the current -git tree. Don't mind 
the fact that in two weeks we merge 

	 6672 files changed, 373817 insertions(+), 285901 deletions(-)

and instead look at something like the enterprise kernels or other tree 
that lags the development tree by half a year or more exactly _because_ 
they care about stable, not development.

In short: what do you think the git tree is? Is it something that should 
prioritize good developmnent, or is it something that should worry about 
you making inane arguments? Ask yourself that.

			Linus

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Slow DOWN, please!!!, David Miller, (Tue Apr 29, 10:03 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Apr 30, 3:36 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Andrew Morton, (Wed Apr 30, 4:15 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Apr 30, 4:31 pm)
RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Adrian Bunk, (Wed Apr 30, 8:31 pm)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Arjan van de Ven, (Wed Apr 30, 3:03 am)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Adrian Bunk, (Thu May 1, 7:30 am)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Arjan van de Ven, (Wed Apr 30, 10:20 am)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Adrian Bunk, (Thu May 1, 9:21 am)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Paul Mackerras, (Thu May 1, 10:08 pm)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Josh Boyer, (Thu May 1, 11:10 pm)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Paul Mackerras, (Fri May 2, 12:09 am)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Adrian Bunk, (Fri May 2, 4:29 am)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Linus Torvalds, (Fri May 2, 10:58 am)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Carlos R. Mafra, (Fri May 2, 11:44 am)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Linus Torvalds, (Fri May 2, 12:28 pm)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Carlos R. Mafra, (Fri May 2, 1:15 pm)
RE: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Pallipadi, Venkatesh, (Fri May 2, 2:02 pm)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Carlos R. Mafra, (Fri May 9, 3:30 pm)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Paul Mackerras, (Fri May 2, 6:16 am)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Adrian Bunk, (Fri May 2, 7:58 am)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Andrew Morton, (Thu May 1, 11:49 am)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Arjan van de Ven, (Wed Apr 30, 9:13 pm)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Adrian Bunk, (Fri May 2, 5:00 am)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Theodore Tso, (Thu May 1, 1:24 pm)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Andrew Morton, (Thu May 1, 3:26 pm)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Steven Rostedt, (Thu May 1, 3:39 pm)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Steven Rostedt, (Thu May 1, 12:38 pm)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Andrew Morton, (Thu May 1, 1:18 pm)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Thu May 1, 8:53 am)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Andrew Morton, (Thu May 1, 4:13 am)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Arjan van de Ven, (Wed Apr 30, 10:15 am)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Rene Herman, (Sun May 4, 8:45 am)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Pekka Enberg, (Sun May 4, 9:00 am)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Rene Herman, (Sun May 4, 9:19 am)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, David Woodhouse, (Thu May 1, 8:42 am)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Benny Halevy, (Mon May 5, 6:03 am)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Arjan van de Ven, (Wed Apr 30, 11:02 am)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Enrico Weigelt, (Thu May 1, 6:30 am)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Adrian Bunk, (Thu May 1, 9:02 am)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, David Miller, (Wed Apr 30, 8:41 pm)
Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies, Adrian Bunk, (Thu May 1, 9:23 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, H. Peter Anvin, (Wed Apr 30, 5:52 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, , (Thu May 1, 12:39 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Bob Tracy, (Wed Apr 30, 11:24 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Andrew Morton, (Wed Apr 30, 4:54 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Jiri Kosina, (Fri May 9, 5:28 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Jeff Garzik, (Fri May 9, 11:00 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Dmitri Vorobiev, (Wed Apr 30, 5:42 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Andrew Morton, (Wed Apr 30, 6:10 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Jan Engelhardt, (Thu May 1, 2:15 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Dmitri Vorobiev, (Wed Apr 30, 7:04 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Apr 30, 6:19 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Kevin Winchester, (Thu May 1, 7:06 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Dmitri Vorobiev, (Wed Apr 30, 6:28 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Diego Calleja, (Thu May 1, 12:26 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Stephen Rothwell, (Thu May 1, 9:48 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Dmitri Vorobiev, (Thu May 1, 12:31 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Jiri Slaby, (Wed Apr 30, 6:06 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, David Miller, (Wed Apr 30, 5:21 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Helge Hafting, (Fri May 2, 9:37 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Apr 30, 6:19 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rusty Russell, (Sun May 4, 11:04 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Apr 30, 6:35 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, David Miller, (Wed Apr 30, 6:51 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Adrian Bunk, (Wed Apr 30, 10:48 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Apr 30, 9:40 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Andrew Morton, (Wed Apr 30, 6:49 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, David Miller, (Wed Apr 30, 6:22 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Apr 30, 6:39 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Willy Tarreau, (Wed Apr 30, 7:12 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Chris Shoemaker, (Wed Apr 30, 8:15 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Willy Tarreau, (Thu May 1, 1:09 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Apr 30, 7:59 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, , (Wed Apr 30, 6:54 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Dmitri Vorobiev, (Wed Apr 30, 6:02 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Apr 30, 5:47 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Dan Noe, (Wed Apr 30, 4:47 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Andrew Morton, (Wed Apr 30, 4:59 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Mariusz Kozlowski, (Wed Apr 30, 6:53 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Andi Kleen, (Fri May 2, 6:20 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Mariusz Kozlowski, (Fri May 2, 11:33 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Andrew Morton, (Wed Apr 30, 7:11 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Ben Dooks, (Mon May 12, 5:27 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Apr 30, 5:30 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Apr 30, 6:08 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Andrew Morton, (Wed Apr 30, 5:37 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Apr 30, 4:05 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Paul Mackerras, (Wed Apr 30, 7:29 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Apr 30, 11:47 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Jeff Garzik, (Thu May 1, 12:17 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Alan Cox, (Thu May 1, 5:17 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Thu May 1, 12:46 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Krzysztof Halasa, (Sun May 4, 9:47 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Jacek Luczak, (Sun May 4, 11:05 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Jeff Garzik, (Wed Apr 30, 9:57 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Frans Pop, (Wed Apr 30, 10:52 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Apr 30, 4:45 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Stefan Richter, (Thu May 1, 9:54 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Thu May 1, 10:06 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Apr 30, 5:37 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Apr 30, 6:23 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, , (Wed Apr 30, 6:40 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Apr 30, 7:45 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Adrian Bunk, (Wed Apr 30, 8:38 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Apr 30, 8:56 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Adrian Bunk, (Wed Apr 30, 9:25 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Thu May 1, 8:05 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, , (Wed Apr 30, 7:57 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Chris Shoemaker, (Wed Apr 30, 8:01 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, , (Wed Apr 30, 8:14 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Apr 30, 8:38 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Jeremy Fitzhardinge, (Wed Apr 30, 9:39 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Apr 30, 6:31 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Apr 30, 7:03 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Willy Tarreau, (Wed Apr 30, 6:46 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Apr 30, 7:20 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Jeremy Fitzhardinge, (Wed Apr 30, 9:30 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Willy Tarreau, (Thu May 1, 1:35 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Apr 30, 8:42 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Apr 30, 9:19 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Willy Tarreau, (Thu May 1, 1:50 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Thu May 1, 7:53 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, , (Thu May 1, 3:36 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz..., (Thu May 1, 9:16 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Ray Lee, (Thu May 1, 11:29 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Willy Tarreau, (Thu May 1, 3:03 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Thu May 1, 9:53 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz..., (Thu May 1, 10:35 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Will Newton, (Thu May 1, 8:11 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Apr 30, 9:40 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Thu May 1, 7:38 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Arjan van de Ven, (Wed Apr 30, 10:28 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Thu May 1, 8:41 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Arjan van de Ven, (Wed Apr 30, 11:06 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Frans Pop, (Wed Apr 30, 11:53 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Nigel Cunningham, (Wed Apr 30, 10:31 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Stephen Clark, (Thu May 1, 2:32 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Al Viro, (Wed Apr 30, 10:21 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rene Herman, (Sat May 3, 11:26 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, , (Thu May 1, 1:19 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, David Miller, (Wed Apr 30, 9:51 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Apr 30, 10:01 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, David Miller, (Wed Apr 30, 10:17 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Andrew Morton, (Wed Apr 30, 9:31 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Apr 30, 9:43 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Thu May 1, 6:59 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Thu May 1, 11:26 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Chris Frey, (Thu May 1, 2:35 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Enrico Weigelt, (Fri May 2, 9:22 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Thu May 1, 1:09 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Thu May 1, 1:41 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Thu May 1, 5:59 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Stefan Richter, (Fri May 2, 8:17 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Friedrich , (Thu May 1, 3:39 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Willy Tarreau, (Thu May 1, 2:50 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Thu May 1, 6:17 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, , (Thu May 1, 3:07 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Willy Tarreau, (Thu May 1, 3:28 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, , (Thu May 1, 3:46 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Willy Tarreau, (Thu May 1, 3:53 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Al Viro, (Thu May 1, 2:11 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Thu May 1, 2:23 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Al Viro, (Thu May 1, 3:37 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Joel Becker, (Thu May 1, 4:07 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Andrew Morton, (Thu May 1, 3:58 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Willy Tarreau, (Thu May 1, 2:58 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Thu May 1, 2:30 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Andrew Morton, (Wed Apr 30, 6:52 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Willy Tarreau, (Wed Apr 30, 7:21 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Chris Shoemaker, (Wed Apr 30, 7:38 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Andrew Morton, (Wed Apr 30, 6:41 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Tarkan Erimer, (Thu May 1, 8:31 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Stefan Richter, (Thu May 1, 11:34 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Tarkan Erimer, (Fri May 2, 10:05 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Adrian Bunk, (Wed Apr 30, 8:57 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Theodore Tso, (Wed Apr 30, 9:35 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Apr 30, 9:25 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Adrian Bunk, (Wed Apr 30, 10:13 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Apr 30, 10:30 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Pavel Machek, (Wed May 14, 10:55 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Adrian Bunk, (Thu May 1, 2:54 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Apr 30, 7:23 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, , (Wed Apr 30, 7:41 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Apr 30, 7:51 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Apr 30, 4:14 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Greg KH, (Wed Apr 30, 7:34 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Apr 30, 4:56 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Andrew Morton, (Wed Apr 30, 4:00 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Apr 30, 4:20 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Peter Teoh, (Wed Apr 30, 10:48 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, David Newall, (Wed Apr 30, 12:03 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Tarkan Erimer, (Wed Apr 30, 3:11 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, David Newall, (Wed Apr 30, 9:28 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, , (Wed Apr 30, 10:41 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Mike Galbraith, (Wed Apr 30, 9:38 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, David Miller, (Wed Apr 30, 12:18 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, David Newall, (Wed Apr 30, 9:04 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Apr 30, 10:51 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, David Newall, (Wed Apr 30, 2:21 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Apr 30, 2:27 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Chris Friesen, (Wed Apr 30, 3:06 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Apr 30, 3:13 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, David Newall, (Wed Apr 30, 3:22 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Apr 30, 3:42 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, David Newall, (Wed Apr 30, 2:55 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Apr 30, 3:08 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, David Newall, (Wed Apr 30, 3:16 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Apr 30, 3:25 pm)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, David Newall, (Thu May 1, 12:31 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Kasper Sandberg, (Thu May 1, 11:28 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Lennart Sorensen, (Thu May 1, 9:49 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, David Miller, (Thu May 1, 12:37 am)
Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!, Michael Kerrisk, (Wed Apr 30, 9:18 am)