Re: x86: 4kstacks default

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To: Daniel Hazelton <dhazelton@...>
Cc: <david@...>, Denys Vlasenko <vda.linux@...>, linux-kernel <linux-kernel@...>
Date: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 - 3:46 am

[Trimmed, I hope I got the authors right...]

On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 01:41 -0400, Daniel Hazelton wrote:



I understand your position, but let me give my example. I have this
laptop that is one year old. I'm helping in all what I can to the
development of ath5k --- IOW, offering testing, I am not an expert on
this. 

But the mere fact that ndiswrapper exists enabled me to use this laptop
on a daily basis, and so I could test new kernel (and if you look at the
logs you'll see I had at least helped to fix a nasty MMC bug, and to
make sound work in this laptop) and help in other areas, like
suspend/resume testing and bug chasing. 

There is not only wireless development. Without ndiswrapper, I wouldn't
have been in any position to help other areas. I would have had a
crippled laptop[1], a much higher Vista uptime (which now is 0), and a
far bitter Linux experience.  

And this is the point of view of someone that is using Linux since
0.99pl9, so I have quite a bit of experience. 99% of normal users would
simply say "don't work"[2].

		Romano

[1] yes, there's a madwifi version locked to a specific kernel that
works with my card. But I do not think that this would be so much
different. 

[2] a nice page with "_this_ laptop will fully work with linux" would be
nice. Linux on laptop or similar is too complex to be a real help when
you have to buy a laptop in 2 days. 


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Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andrew Morton, (Fri Apr 18, 5:29 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Apr 19, 10:23 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Wed Apr 23, 1:27 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, David Chinner, (Wed Apr 23, 7:36 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Wed Apr 23, 8:56 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Arjan van de Ven, (Wed Apr 23, 8:45 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Christoph Hellwig, (Thu Apr 24, 5:52 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Chris Mason, (Thu Apr 24, 11:41 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Alexander van Heukelum, (Thu Apr 24, 2:30 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Peter Zijlstra, (Thu Apr 24, 8:25 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Oliver Pinter, (Sat Apr 19, 10:35 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Adrian Bunk, (Sat Apr 19, 11:19 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Oliver Pinter, (Sat Apr 19, 11:42 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Eric Sandeen, (Sat Apr 19, 9:56 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Apr 20, 3:42 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Chris Wedgwood, (Sun Apr 20, 12:59 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Eric Sandeen, (Sat Apr 19, 11:29 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Ingo Molnar, (Mon Apr 21, 10:31 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andi Kleen, (Sun Apr 20, 8:36 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Shawn Bohrer, (Sat Apr 19, 10:59 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Apr 20, 4:09 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Alan Cox, (Sun Apr 20, 4:06 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Apr 20, 4:51 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Alan Cox, (Sun Apr 20, 5:36 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Apr 20, 6:44 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Mark Lord, (Sun Apr 20, 9:22 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andi Kleen, (Sun Apr 20, 8:27 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Daniel Hazelton, (Sun Apr 20, 11:44 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Romano Giannetti, (Tue Apr 22, 2:20 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Denys Vlasenko, (Wed Apr 23, 1:03 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Daniel Hazelton, (Wed Apr 23, 1:21 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, , (Wed Apr 23, 1:25 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Daniel Hazelton, (Wed Apr 23, 1:41 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Romano Giannetti, (Wed Apr 23, 3:46 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Stefan Richter, (Wed Apr 23, 7:24 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Romano Giannetti, (Wed Apr 23, 8:15 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Lennart Sorensen, (Wed Apr 23, 11:59 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andi Kleen, (Sun Apr 20, 1:26 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Arjan van de Ven, (Sun Apr 20, 2:48 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andrew Morton, (Sun Apr 20, 5:45 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andi Kleen, (Sun Apr 20, 5:51 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andi Kleen, (Sun Apr 20, 4:01 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Arjan van de Ven, (Sun Apr 20, 6:33 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Arjan van de Ven, (Sun Apr 20, 6:33 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Eric Sandeen, (Sun Apr 20, 11:06 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andi Kleen, (Sun Apr 20, 7:16 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Arjan van de Ven, (Mon Apr 21, 1:53 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Daniel Hazelton, (Sun Apr 20, 4:43 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andi Kleen, (Sun Apr 20, 5:40 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Daniel Hazelton, (Sun Apr 20, 9:45 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andi Kleen, (Mon Apr 21, 3:51 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Daniel Hazelton, (Mon Apr 21, 1:34 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Bernd Eckenfels, (Sun Apr 20, 6:17 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Avi Kivity, (Sun Apr 20, 7:48 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Willy Tarreau, (Sun Apr 20, 8:47 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Mark Lord, (Sun Apr 20, 9:27 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Eric Sandeen, (Sun Apr 20, 10:09 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Willy Tarreau, (Sun Apr 20, 10:20 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Eric Sandeen, (Sun Apr 20, 10:40 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Willy Tarreau, (Sun Apr 20, 9:38 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andi Kleen, (Sun Apr 20, 10:19 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Jörn, (Sun Apr 20, 12:41 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andi Kleen, (Sun Apr 20, 1:19 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Jörn, (Sun Apr 20, 1:43 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andi Kleen, (Sun Apr 20, 2:19 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Jörn, (Sun Apr 20, 4:35 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Jörn, (Sun Apr 20, 4:32 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Arjan van de Ven, (Sun Apr 20, 2:50 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andrew Morton, (Sun Apr 20, 5:50 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Ingo Molnar, (Mon Apr 21, 10:29 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andi Kleen, (Sun Apr 20, 5:55 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andi Kleen, (Sun Apr 20, 4:09 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Apr 20, 9:21 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Bill Davidsen, (Mon Apr 28, 2:38 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Helge Hafting, (Wed Apr 23, 5:13 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Eric Sandeen, (Thu Apr 24, 11:46 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, David Chinner, (Wed Apr 23, 7:29 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andi Kleen, (Sun Apr 20, 9:06 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Apr 20, 9:30 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Bill Davidsen, (Mon Apr 28, 1:56 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Willy Tarreau, (Sun Apr 20, 9:34 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Apr 20, 10:04 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Apr 20, 8:32 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Alan Cox, (Sun Apr 20, 7:02 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Apr 20, 7:54 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andi Kleen, (Sun Apr 20, 8:37 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Alan Cox, (Sun Apr 20, 7:37 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Apr 20, 8:18 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Eric Sandeen, (Sun Apr 20, 10:05 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Denys Vlasenko, (Mon Apr 21, 3:45 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Eric Sandeen, (Mon Apr 21, 9:29 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Denys Vlasenko, (Mon Apr 21, 3:51 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, David Chinner, (Mon Apr 21, 9:28 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Jörn, (Sun Apr 27, 3:27 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Denys Vlasenko, (Sun Apr 27, 7:02 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Eric Sandeen, (Sun Apr 27, 7:08 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Denys Vlasenko, (Sun Apr 27, 8:00 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Denys Vlasenko, (Tue Apr 22, 8:48 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Adrian Bunk, (Tue Apr 22, 9:01 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Denys Vlasenko, (Tue Apr 22, 9:51 am)
[PATCH] xfs: do not pass size into kmem_free, it's unused, Denys Vlasenko, (Mon Apr 21, 10:33 pm)
[PATCH] xfs: do not pass unused params to xfs_flush_pages, Denys Vlasenko, (Mon Apr 21, 11:03 pm)
[PATCH] xfs: remove unused parameter of xfs_qm_dqpurge, Denys Vlasenko, (Tue Apr 22, 5:42 am)
Re: [PATCH] xfs: remove unused parameter of xfs_qm_dqpurge, Christoph Hellwig, (Wed Apr 23, 4:18 am)
Re: [PATCH] xfs: #define out unused parameters , Denys Vlasenko, (Tue Apr 22, 4:46 pm)
Re: [PATCH] xfs: #define out unused parameters , Denys Vlasenko, (Tue Apr 22, 1:50 pm)
[PATCH] xfs: expose no-op xfs_put_perag(), Denys Vlasenko, (Tue Apr 22, 9:46 am)
Re: [PATCH] xfs: expose no-op xfs_put_perag(), David Chinner, (Tue Apr 22, 7:16 pm)
Re: [PATCH] xfs: expose no-op xfs_put_perag(), Eric Sandeen, (Tue Apr 22, 10:08 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Denys Vlasenko, (Mon Apr 21, 4:28 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andi Kleen, (Mon Apr 21, 5:55 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Arjan van de Ven, (Sun Apr 20, 11:41 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Apr 20, 12:03 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Alexander E. Patrakov, (Sun Apr 20, 11:30 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Helge Hafting, (Wed Apr 23, 4:57 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Apr 20, 10:21 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Eric Sandeen, (Sun Apr 20, 10:56 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Arjan van de Ven, (Sat Apr 19, 2:00 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Eric Sandeen, (Sat Apr 19, 10:36 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, David Chinner, (Sun Apr 20, 6:53 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Arjan van de Ven, (Sun Apr 20, 2:11 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Apr 19, 2:33 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Stefan Richter, (Sat Apr 19, 3:10 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andrew Morton, (Sat Apr 19, 1:49 pm)