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Re: [PATCH v2] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC

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To: David Miller <davem@...>
Cc: <khc@...>, <jchapman@...>, <alan@...>, <akpm@...>, <jeff@...>, <linux-kernel@...>, <netdev@...>
Date: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 7:52 pm

David Miller wrote:
 > Users say this to strong-hand developers, it's not something you
 > should ever take very seriously.  And even if Linux may simply not be
 > for them, well that's fine too, and implementing something as obscure
 > as HDLC PPP one way or the other is not going to change that.

Certainly not a big deal for Linux, but more
significant for vendors of HDLC hardware :-)

David Miller wrote:
 > I would have been more than happy if syncppp was retained and fixed
 > properly, instead of being abandoned and duplicated in one fell swoop.

I'd be happy with that also. I was responding to the
suggestion of merging generic HDLC PPP with the pppd implementation.
It's been suggested before, but doing so looks messy.

James Chapman wrote:
 > Paul Fulghum wrote:
 >> Many customers who choose to use generic HDLC PPP are *dead*
 >> set against the added complexity and (user space)
 >> components of using pppd even though it has more features.
 >
 > Are there technical reasons or is the complexity just a lack of
 > familiarity?

 From what I can tell it was an existing investment in scripts,
training, tools, naming conventions, etc. Even when
provided with new tools and scripts that do the same thing (as
far as I could tell) the response was suprisingly vehement against
change.

--
Paul

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WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, Krzysztof Halasa, (Wed Mar 12, 2:21 pm)
[PATCH v2] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, Krzysztof Halasa, (Fri Mar 14, 10:20 am)
Re: [PATCH v2] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, Krzysztof Halasa, (Tue Mar 25, 10:39 am)
Re: [PATCH v2] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, Krzysztof Halasa, (Fri Apr 11, 5:35 pm)
Re: [PATCH v2] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, Andrew Morton, (Sat Apr 12, 1:14 am)
Re: [PATCH v2] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, Krzysztof Halasa, (Sat Apr 12, 4:10 am)
Re: [PATCH v2] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, Jeff Garzik, (Sat Apr 12, 4:50 am)
Re: [PATCH v2] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, Krzysztof Halasa, (Sat Apr 12, 3:25 pm)
Re: [PATCH v2] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, Krzysztof Halasa, (Sat Apr 12, 4:19 pm)
Re: [PATCH v2] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, Krzysztof Halasa, (Fri Apr 18, 11:58 am)
Re: [PATCH v2] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, David Miller, (Fri Apr 18, 6:32 pm)
Re: [PATCH v2] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, Krzysztof Halasa, (Mon Apr 21, 11:30 am)
Re: [PATCH v2] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, James Chapman, (Mon Apr 21, 3:31 pm)
Re: [PATCH v2] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, Krzysztof Halasa, (Tue Apr 22, 3:06 pm)
Re: [PATCH v2] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, Paul Fulghum, (Tue Apr 22, 5:46 pm)
Re: [PATCH v2] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, David Miller, (Tue Apr 22, 6:02 pm)
Re: [PATCH v2] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, Paul Fulghum, (Tue Apr 22, 7:52 pm)
Re: [PATCH v2] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, Jeff Garzik, (Tue Apr 22, 4:50 pm)
Re: [PATCH v2] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, James Chapman, (Tue Apr 22, 6:23 pm)
Re: [PATCH v2] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, David Miller, (Tue Apr 22, 6:51 pm)
Re: [PATCH v2] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, David Miller, (Tue Apr 22, 6:05 pm)
Re: [PATCH v2] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, Krzysztof Halasa, (Wed Apr 23, 1:02 pm)
Re: [PATCH v2] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, David Miller, (Wed Apr 23, 6:49 pm)
Re: [PATCH v2] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, Krzysztof Halasa, (Wed Apr 23, 8:48 pm)
Re: [PATCH v2] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, David Miller, (Wed Apr 23, 9:08 pm)
Re: [PATCH v2] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, Krzysztof Halasa, (Thu Apr 24, 9:12 am)
Re: [PATCH v2] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, David Miller, (Thu Apr 24, 9:30 am)
Re: [PATCH v2] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, Krzysztof Halasa, (Thu Apr 24, 9:39 am)
Re: [PATCH v2] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, David Miller, (Thu Apr 24, 9:55 am)
Re: [PATCH v2] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, Krzysztof Halasa, (Thu Apr 24, 4:46 pm)
Re: [PATCH v2] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, David Miller, (Mon May 12, 6:32 am)
Re: [PATCH v2] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, Krzysztof Halasa, (Wed May 14, 12:17 pm)
Re: [PATCH v2] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, Krzysztof Halasa, (Wed May 14, 8:45 am)
[PATCH] WAN: protect HDLC proto list while insmod/rmmod, Krzysztof Halasa, (Mon May 19, 1:00 pm)
Re: [PATCH v2] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, Krzysztof Halasa, (Fri Apr 25, 7:10 am)
Re: [PATCH v2] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, Krzysztof Halasa, (Thu Apr 24, 4:50 pm)
RE: [PATCH v2] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P, (Mon Apr 14, 3:16 pm)
Re: [PATCH v2] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, David Miller, (Mon Apr 14, 5:09 pm)
Re: [PATCH v2] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, Jeff Garzik, (Tue Mar 25, 10:55 am)
Re: [PATCH v2] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, Krzysztof Halasa, (Tue Mar 25, 11:50 am)
Re: [PATCH v2] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, Krzysztof Halasa, (Wed Mar 26, 7:05 pm)
Re: [PATCH v2] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, David Miller, (Tue Mar 25, 7:14 pm)
Re: [PATCH v2] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, Krzysztof Halasa, (Wed Mar 26, 11:01 am)
Re: [PATCH v2] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, Jeff Garzik, (Sat Apr 12, 5:12 am)
[PATCH] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, Krzysztof Halasa, (Wed Mar 12, 2:30 pm)
Re: [PATCH] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, Jan Engelhardt, (Wed Mar 12, 3:38 pm)
Re: [PATCH] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, Krzysztof Halasa, (Wed Mar 12, 4:10 pm)
Re: [PATCH] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, Jan Engelhardt, (Wed Mar 12, 6:12 pm)
Re: [PATCH] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, Krzysztof Halasa, (Fri Mar 14, 10:16 am)
Re: [PATCH] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, Stephen Hemminger, (Wed Mar 12, 2:52 pm)
Re: [PATCH] Re: WAN: new PPP code for generic HDLC, Krzysztof Halasa, (Wed Mar 12, 3:25 pm)
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