Re: x86: 4kstacks default

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To: Daniel Hazelton <dhazelton@...>
Cc: Andi Kleen <andi@...>, Arjan van de Ven <arjan@...>, Adrian Bunk <bunk@...>, Alan Cox <alan@...>, Shawn Bohrer <shawn.bohrer@...>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...>, Andrew Morton <akpm@...>, Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...>, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...>
Date: Monday, April 21, 2008 - 3:51 am

> Never said it worked on a 32bit system. I was pointing out that there can be 

Ah your point was that people might do this on 64bit systems? 

They could indeed. It would not be very efficient but it should work
in theory at least with enough memory. Of course they don't need 4k
stacks for it. They can also try it on 32bit and it will work
to some extent too, just not scale very far.  And 4k stack more or less
won't make much difference for that because the stack is only
a small part of the lowmem needed for a blocked thread with
open sockets.

But this thread clearly was about 32bit systems only.


Note I didn't come up with that number, it was quoted to me earlier
(but one of its authors has distanced itself from it now, so it 
seems to becoming more and more irrelevant indeed now) 

Stupid in this case just refers to the general observation that
it is quite inefficient to do one thread per request on servers
who are expected to process lots of long running connections.

Perhaps I could have put that better I will give you that. Please
assume I always meant "inefficient" when I wrote "stupid".


Now that is a very doubtful claim. You realize that a functional network
server thread needs a lot more lowmem than just the stack? 

-Andi

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Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andrew Morton, (Fri Apr 18, 5:29 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Apr 19, 10:23 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Wed Apr 23, 1:27 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, David Chinner, (Wed Apr 23, 7:36 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Wed Apr 23, 8:56 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Arjan van de Ven, (Wed Apr 23, 8:45 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Christoph Hellwig, (Thu Apr 24, 5:52 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Chris Mason, (Thu Apr 24, 11:41 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Alexander van Heukelum, (Thu Apr 24, 2:30 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Peter Zijlstra, (Thu Apr 24, 8:25 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Oliver Pinter, (Sat Apr 19, 10:35 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Adrian Bunk, (Sat Apr 19, 11:19 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Oliver Pinter, (Sat Apr 19, 11:42 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Eric Sandeen, (Sat Apr 19, 9:56 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Apr 20, 3:42 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Chris Wedgwood, (Sun Apr 20, 12:59 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Eric Sandeen, (Sat Apr 19, 11:29 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Ingo Molnar, (Mon Apr 21, 10:31 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andi Kleen, (Sun Apr 20, 8:36 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Shawn Bohrer, (Sat Apr 19, 10:59 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Apr 20, 4:09 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Alan Cox, (Sun Apr 20, 4:06 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Apr 20, 4:51 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Alan Cox, (Sun Apr 20, 5:36 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Apr 20, 6:44 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Mark Lord, (Sun Apr 20, 9:22 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andi Kleen, (Sun Apr 20, 8:27 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Daniel Hazelton, (Sun Apr 20, 11:44 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Romano Giannetti, (Tue Apr 22, 2:20 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Denys Vlasenko, (Wed Apr 23, 1:03 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Daniel Hazelton, (Wed Apr 23, 1:21 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, , (Wed Apr 23, 1:25 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Daniel Hazelton, (Wed Apr 23, 1:41 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Romano Giannetti, (Wed Apr 23, 3:46 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Stefan Richter, (Wed Apr 23, 7:24 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Romano Giannetti, (Wed Apr 23, 8:15 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Lennart Sorensen, (Wed Apr 23, 11:59 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andi Kleen, (Sun Apr 20, 1:26 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Arjan van de Ven, (Sun Apr 20, 2:48 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andrew Morton, (Sun Apr 20, 5:45 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andi Kleen, (Sun Apr 20, 5:51 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andi Kleen, (Sun Apr 20, 4:01 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Arjan van de Ven, (Sun Apr 20, 6:33 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Arjan van de Ven, (Sun Apr 20, 6:33 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Eric Sandeen, (Sun Apr 20, 11:06 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andi Kleen, (Sun Apr 20, 7:16 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Arjan van de Ven, (Mon Apr 21, 1:53 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Daniel Hazelton, (Sun Apr 20, 4:43 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andi Kleen, (Sun Apr 20, 5:40 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Daniel Hazelton, (Sun Apr 20, 9:45 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andi Kleen, (Mon Apr 21, 3:51 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Daniel Hazelton, (Mon Apr 21, 1:34 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Bernd Eckenfels, (Sun Apr 20, 6:17 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Avi Kivity, (Sun Apr 20, 7:48 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Willy Tarreau, (Sun Apr 20, 8:47 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Mark Lord, (Sun Apr 20, 9:27 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Eric Sandeen, (Sun Apr 20, 10:09 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Willy Tarreau, (Sun Apr 20, 10:20 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Eric Sandeen, (Sun Apr 20, 10:40 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Willy Tarreau, (Sun Apr 20, 9:38 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andi Kleen, (Sun Apr 20, 10:19 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Jörn, (Sun Apr 20, 12:41 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andi Kleen, (Sun Apr 20, 1:19 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Jörn, (Sun Apr 20, 1:43 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andi Kleen, (Sun Apr 20, 2:19 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Jörn, (Sun Apr 20, 4:35 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Jörn, (Sun Apr 20, 4:32 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Arjan van de Ven, (Sun Apr 20, 2:50 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andrew Morton, (Sun Apr 20, 5:50 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Ingo Molnar, (Mon Apr 21, 10:29 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andi Kleen, (Sun Apr 20, 5:55 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andi Kleen, (Sun Apr 20, 4:09 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Apr 20, 9:21 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Bill Davidsen, (Mon Apr 28, 2:38 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Helge Hafting, (Wed Apr 23, 5:13 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Eric Sandeen, (Thu Apr 24, 11:46 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, David Chinner, (Wed Apr 23, 7:29 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andi Kleen, (Sun Apr 20, 9:06 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Apr 20, 9:30 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Bill Davidsen, (Mon Apr 28, 1:56 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Willy Tarreau, (Sun Apr 20, 9:34 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Apr 20, 10:04 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Apr 20, 8:32 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Alan Cox, (Sun Apr 20, 7:02 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Apr 20, 7:54 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andi Kleen, (Sun Apr 20, 8:37 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Alan Cox, (Sun Apr 20, 7:37 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Apr 20, 8:18 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Eric Sandeen, (Sun Apr 20, 10:05 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Denys Vlasenko, (Mon Apr 21, 3:45 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Eric Sandeen, (Mon Apr 21, 9:29 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Denys Vlasenko, (Mon Apr 21, 3:51 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, David Chinner, (Mon Apr 21, 9:28 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Jörn, (Sun Apr 27, 3:27 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Denys Vlasenko, (Sun Apr 27, 7:02 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Eric Sandeen, (Sun Apr 27, 7:08 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Denys Vlasenko, (Sun Apr 27, 8:00 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Denys Vlasenko, (Tue Apr 22, 8:48 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Adrian Bunk, (Tue Apr 22, 9:01 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Denys Vlasenko, (Tue Apr 22, 9:51 am)
[PATCH] xfs: do not pass size into kmem_free, it's unused, Denys Vlasenko, (Mon Apr 21, 10:33 pm)
[PATCH] xfs: do not pass unused params to xfs_flush_pages, Denys Vlasenko, (Mon Apr 21, 11:03 pm)
[PATCH] xfs: remove unused parameter of xfs_qm_dqpurge, Denys Vlasenko, (Tue Apr 22, 5:42 am)
Re: [PATCH] xfs: remove unused parameter of xfs_qm_dqpurge, Christoph Hellwig, (Wed Apr 23, 4:18 am)
Re: [PATCH] xfs: #define out unused parameters , Denys Vlasenko, (Tue Apr 22, 4:46 pm)
Re: [PATCH] xfs: #define out unused parameters , Denys Vlasenko, (Tue Apr 22, 1:50 pm)
[PATCH] xfs: expose no-op xfs_put_perag(), Denys Vlasenko, (Tue Apr 22, 9:46 am)
Re: [PATCH] xfs: expose no-op xfs_put_perag(), David Chinner, (Tue Apr 22, 7:16 pm)
Re: [PATCH] xfs: expose no-op xfs_put_perag(), Eric Sandeen, (Tue Apr 22, 10:08 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Denys Vlasenko, (Mon Apr 21, 4:28 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andi Kleen, (Mon Apr 21, 5:55 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Arjan van de Ven, (Sun Apr 20, 11:41 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Apr 20, 12:03 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Alexander E. Patrakov, (Sun Apr 20, 11:30 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Helge Hafting, (Wed Apr 23, 4:57 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Apr 20, 10:21 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Eric Sandeen, (Sun Apr 20, 10:56 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Arjan van de Ven, (Sat Apr 19, 2:00 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Eric Sandeen, (Sat Apr 19, 10:36 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, David Chinner, (Sun Apr 20, 6:53 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Arjan van de Ven, (Sun Apr 20, 2:11 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Apr 19, 2:33 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Stefan Richter, (Sat Apr 19, 3:10 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andrew Morton, (Sat Apr 19, 1:49 pm)