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To: Andi Kleen <andi@...>
Cc: Willy Tarreau <w@...>, Mark Lord <lkml@...>, Adrian Bunk <bunk@...>, Alan Cox <alan@...>, Shawn Bohrer <shawn.bohrer@...>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...>, Andrew Morton <akpm@...>, Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...>, Arjan van de Ven <arjan@...>, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...>
Date: Sunday, April 20, 2008 - 12:41 pm

On Sun, 20 April 2008 16:19:29 +0200, Andi Kleen wrote:

It is not uncommon for embedded systems to be designed around 16MiB.
Some may even have less, although I haven't encountered any of those
lately.

When dealing in those dimensions, savings of 100k are substantial.  In
some causes they may be the difference between 16MiB or 32MiB, which
translates to manufacturing costs.  In others it simply means that the
system can cache a bit more and run faster, or it can have a little more
functionality.

In most cases it simply allows userspace programmers to avoid looking
harder to save those 100k, as they are already saved in kernel space.
Therefore we made life hard for us in order to make life easier for
someone else, saving them time and money.

Whether that is worth it depends on your personal point of view.  Many
embedded people will claim "Hell yes!"  Of those that don't, most are
simply ignoring currently mainline kernels and will regret the
development later.  They care, thay just don't tend to care enough to
engage in these discussions or even know about them. :(

Jörn

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Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andrew Morton, (Fri Apr 18, 5:29 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Apr 19, 10:23 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Wed Apr 23, 1:27 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, David Chinner, (Wed Apr 23, 7:36 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Wed Apr 23, 8:56 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Arjan van de Ven, (Wed Apr 23, 8:45 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Christoph Hellwig, (Thu Apr 24, 5:52 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Chris Mason, (Thu Apr 24, 11:41 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Alexander van Heukelum, (Thu Apr 24, 2:30 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Peter Zijlstra, (Thu Apr 24, 8:25 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Oliver Pinter, (Sat Apr 19, 10:35 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Adrian Bunk, (Sat Apr 19, 11:19 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Oliver Pinter, (Sat Apr 19, 11:42 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Eric Sandeen, (Sat Apr 19, 9:56 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Apr 20, 3:42 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Chris Wedgwood, (Sun Apr 20, 12:59 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Eric Sandeen, (Sat Apr 19, 11:29 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Ingo Molnar, (Mon Apr 21, 10:31 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andi Kleen, (Sun Apr 20, 8:36 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Shawn Bohrer, (Sat Apr 19, 10:59 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Apr 20, 4:09 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Alan Cox, (Sun Apr 20, 4:06 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Apr 20, 4:51 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Alan Cox, (Sun Apr 20, 5:36 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Apr 20, 6:44 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Mark Lord, (Sun Apr 20, 9:22 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andi Kleen, (Sun Apr 20, 8:27 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Daniel Hazelton, (Sun Apr 20, 11:44 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Romano Giannetti, (Tue Apr 22, 2:20 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Denys Vlasenko, (Wed Apr 23, 1:03 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Daniel Hazelton, (Wed Apr 23, 1:21 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, , (Wed Apr 23, 1:25 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Daniel Hazelton, (Wed Apr 23, 1:41 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Romano Giannetti, (Wed Apr 23, 3:46 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Stefan Richter, (Wed Apr 23, 7:24 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Romano Giannetti, (Wed Apr 23, 8:15 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Lennart Sorensen, (Wed Apr 23, 11:59 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andi Kleen, (Sun Apr 20, 1:26 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Arjan van de Ven, (Sun Apr 20, 2:48 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andrew Morton, (Sun Apr 20, 5:45 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andi Kleen, (Sun Apr 20, 5:51 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andi Kleen, (Sun Apr 20, 4:01 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Arjan van de Ven, (Sun Apr 20, 6:33 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Arjan van de Ven, (Sun Apr 20, 6:33 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Eric Sandeen, (Sun Apr 20, 11:06 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andi Kleen, (Sun Apr 20, 7:16 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Arjan van de Ven, (Mon Apr 21, 1:53 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Daniel Hazelton, (Sun Apr 20, 4:43 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andi Kleen, (Sun Apr 20, 5:40 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Daniel Hazelton, (Sun Apr 20, 9:45 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andi Kleen, (Mon Apr 21, 3:51 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Daniel Hazelton, (Mon Apr 21, 1:34 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Bernd Eckenfels, (Sun Apr 20, 6:17 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Avi Kivity, (Sun Apr 20, 7:48 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Willy Tarreau, (Sun Apr 20, 8:47 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Mark Lord, (Sun Apr 20, 9:27 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Eric Sandeen, (Sun Apr 20, 10:09 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Willy Tarreau, (Sun Apr 20, 10:20 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Eric Sandeen, (Sun Apr 20, 10:40 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Willy Tarreau, (Sun Apr 20, 9:38 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andi Kleen, (Sun Apr 20, 10:19 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Jörn, (Sun Apr 20, 12:41 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andi Kleen, (Sun Apr 20, 1:19 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Jörn, (Sun Apr 20, 1:43 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andi Kleen, (Sun Apr 20, 2:19 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Jörn, (Sun Apr 20, 4:35 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Jörn, (Sun Apr 20, 4:32 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Arjan van de Ven, (Sun Apr 20, 2:50 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andrew Morton, (Sun Apr 20, 5:50 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Ingo Molnar, (Mon Apr 21, 10:29 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andi Kleen, (Sun Apr 20, 5:55 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andi Kleen, (Sun Apr 20, 4:09 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Apr 20, 9:21 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Bill Davidsen, (Mon Apr 28, 2:38 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Helge Hafting, (Wed Apr 23, 5:13 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Eric Sandeen, (Thu Apr 24, 11:46 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, David Chinner, (Wed Apr 23, 7:29 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andi Kleen, (Sun Apr 20, 9:06 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Apr 20, 9:30 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Bill Davidsen, (Mon Apr 28, 1:56 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Willy Tarreau, (Sun Apr 20, 9:34 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Apr 20, 10:04 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Apr 20, 8:32 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Alan Cox, (Sun Apr 20, 7:02 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Apr 20, 7:54 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andi Kleen, (Sun Apr 20, 8:37 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Alan Cox, (Sun Apr 20, 7:37 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Apr 20, 8:18 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Eric Sandeen, (Sun Apr 20, 10:05 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Denys Vlasenko, (Mon Apr 21, 3:45 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Eric Sandeen, (Mon Apr 21, 9:29 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Denys Vlasenko, (Mon Apr 21, 3:51 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, David Chinner, (Mon Apr 21, 9:28 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Jörn, (Sun Apr 27, 3:27 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Denys Vlasenko, (Sun Apr 27, 7:02 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Eric Sandeen, (Sun Apr 27, 7:08 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Denys Vlasenko, (Sun Apr 27, 8:00 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Denys Vlasenko, (Tue Apr 22, 8:48 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Adrian Bunk, (Tue Apr 22, 9:01 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Denys Vlasenko, (Tue Apr 22, 9:51 am)
[PATCH] xfs: do not pass size into kmem_free, it's unused, Denys Vlasenko, (Mon Apr 21, 10:33 pm)
[PATCH] xfs: do not pass unused params to xfs_flush_pages, Denys Vlasenko, (Mon Apr 21, 11:03 pm)
[PATCH] xfs: remove unused parameter of xfs_qm_dqpurge, Denys Vlasenko, (Tue Apr 22, 5:42 am)
Re: [PATCH] xfs: remove unused parameter of xfs_qm_dqpurge, Christoph Hellwig, (Wed Apr 23, 4:18 am)
Re: [PATCH] xfs: #define out unused parameters , Denys Vlasenko, (Tue Apr 22, 4:46 pm)
Re: [PATCH] xfs: #define out unused parameters , Denys Vlasenko, (Tue Apr 22, 1:50 pm)
[PATCH] xfs: expose no-op xfs_put_perag(), Denys Vlasenko, (Tue Apr 22, 9:46 am)
Re: [PATCH] xfs: expose no-op xfs_put_perag(), David Chinner, (Tue Apr 22, 7:16 pm)
Re: [PATCH] xfs: expose no-op xfs_put_perag(), Eric Sandeen, (Tue Apr 22, 10:08 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Denys Vlasenko, (Mon Apr 21, 4:28 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andi Kleen, (Mon Apr 21, 5:55 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Arjan van de Ven, (Sun Apr 20, 11:41 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Apr 20, 12:03 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Alexander E. Patrakov, (Sun Apr 20, 11:30 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Helge Hafting, (Wed Apr 23, 4:57 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Apr 20, 10:21 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Eric Sandeen, (Sun Apr 20, 10:56 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Arjan van de Ven, (Sat Apr 19, 2:00 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Eric Sandeen, (Sat Apr 19, 10:36 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, David Chinner, (Sun Apr 20, 6:53 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Arjan van de Ven, (Sun Apr 20, 2:11 am)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Apr 19, 2:33 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Stefan Richter, (Sat Apr 19, 3:10 pm)
Re: x86: 4kstacks default, Andrew Morton, (Sat Apr 19, 1:49 pm)
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