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Subject: Re: Reporting bugs and bisection

Date: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 - 8:13 am

On Wednesday, 16 of April 2008, Willy Tarreau wrote:
quoted text> On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 12:04:59PM +0930, David Newall wrote:
> > Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > > Well, even if someone introduces bugs relatively frequently, but then also
> > > works with the reporters and fixes the bugs timely, it's about okay IMO.
> > >   
> > This really is not okay.  Even if bugs are fixed a version or two later,
> > the impact those bugs have on users makes the system look bad and drives
> > them away.  We do not, I believe, want Linux to top the list for "most
> > bugs".  It's unprofessional, unreliable and quite undesirable.
> 
> that's what -rc are for, and it's unprofessional to use them in production :-)

Exactly.

And BTW, by saying "timely" I meant "in -rc" or "before the next major release".

Thanks,
Rafael
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[Bug #10391] 2.6.25-rc7/8: Another resume regression, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Tue Apr 8, 7:02 pm)

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Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors, Mark Lord, (Wed Apr 9, 9:37 am)

Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors, Jeff Garzik, (Wed Apr 9, 12:46 pm)

Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors, Mark Lord, (Wed Apr 9, 1:16 pm)

re: Regression: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors, Mark Lord, (Wed Apr 9, 1:27 pm)

Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors, YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / , (Wed Apr 9, 1:30 pm)

Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors, Mark Lord, (Wed Apr 9, 3:05 pm)

Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors, Jeff Garzik, (Wed Apr 9, 3:08 pm)

Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors, David Miller, (Wed Apr 9, 6:29 pm)

Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors, Mark Lord, (Wed Apr 9, 8:02 pm)

Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors, Ilpo Järvinen, (Thu Apr 10, 4:46 pm)

Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors, Mark Lord, (Thu Apr 10, 5:05 pm)

Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors, Ilpo Järvinen, (Thu Apr 10, 5:43 pm)

Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors, David Miller, (Wed Apr 9, 9:22 pm)

Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors, Tilman Schmidt, (Thu Apr 10, 11:20 am)

Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors, Jesper Juhl, (Thu Apr 10, 6:09 pm)

Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors, David Miller, (Thu Apr 10, 6:46 pm)

Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors, Mark Lord, (Thu Apr 10, 8:16 pm)

Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors, David Miller, (Thu Apr 10, 8:26 pm)

Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors, Mark Lord, (Thu Apr 10, 8:29 pm)

Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors, YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / , (Thu Apr 10, 10:59 pm)

Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors, Pavel Emelyanov, (Fri Apr 11, 3:50 am)

[PATCH 2.6.25] net sockets: fix timewait namespace regression, Mark Lord, (Thu Apr 10, 11:18 pm)

Re: [PATCH 2.6.25] net sockets: fix timewait namespace regre..., David Miller, (Thu Apr 10, 11:51 pm)

Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors, David Miller, (Thu Apr 10, 8:24 pm)

Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors, Tilman Schmidt, (Thu Apr 10, 8:56 pm)

Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors, David Miller, (Thu Apr 10, 9:08 pm)

Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors, Mark Lord, (Thu Apr 10, 8:27 pm)

Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors, David Miller, (Thu Apr 10, 8:39 pm)

about bisections (was: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors), Ingo Molnar, (Tue Apr 15, 5:53 pm)

Re: about bisections, David Miller, (Tue Apr 15, 6:30 pm)

Re: about bisections, Ingo Molnar, (Tue Apr 15, 6:48 pm)

Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors, Mark Lord, (Thu Apr 10, 9:23 pm)

Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors, , (Fri Apr 11, 3:58 pm)

Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors, Tilman Schmidt, (Fri Apr 11, 6:27 pm)

Reporting bugs and bisection (was: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP trans..., Rafael J. Wysocki, (Sun Apr 13, 2:40 pm)

Re: Reporting bugs and bisection (was: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP t..., Willy Tarreau, (Sun Apr 13, 2:47 pm)

Re: Reporting bugs and bisection, Andi Kleen, (Mon Apr 14, 5:58 am)

Re: Reporting bugs and bisection, Willy Tarreau, (Mon Apr 14, 6:00 am)

Re: Reporting bugs and bisection, Andi Kleen, (Mon Apr 14, 6:16 am)

Re: Reporting bugs and bisection (was: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP t..., Adrian Bunk, (Sun Apr 13, 4:10 pm)

Re: Reporting bugs and bisection (was: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP t..., Andrew Morton, (Sun Apr 13, 3:18 pm)

Re: Reporting bugs and bisection (was: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP t..., Ingo Molnar, (Mon Apr 14, 6:18 am)

Re: Reporting bugs and bisection, Andi Kleen, (Mon Apr 14, 6:29 am)

Re: Reporting bugs and bisection (was: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP t..., Evgeniy Polyakov, (Sun Apr 13, 4:21 pm)

Re: Reporting bugs and bisection, David Miller, (Sun Apr 13, 4:35 pm)

Re: Reporting bugs and bisection (was: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP t..., Rafael J. Wysocki, (Sun Apr 13, 4:33 pm)

Re: Reporting bugs and bisection (was: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP t..., Evgeniy Polyakov, (Sun Apr 13, 4:54 pm)

Re: Reporting bugs and bisection, Stephen Clark, (Sun Apr 13, 6:24 pm)

Re: Reporting bugs and bisection, Andi Kleen, (Mon Apr 14, 5:26 am)

Re: Reporting bugs and bisection, , (Sun Apr 13, 7:51 pm)

Re: Reporting bugs and bisection, Willy Tarreau, (Mon Apr 14, 12:39 am)

Re: Reporting bugs and bisection, Al Viro, (Mon Apr 14, 1:39 am)

Re: Reporting bugs and bisection, Andrew Morton, (Mon Apr 14, 2:24 am)

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Re: Reporting bugs and bisection, Andrew Morton, (Mon Apr 14, 4:38 pm)

Re: Reporting bugs and bisection, Rene Herman, (Mon Apr 14, 6:18 pm)

Re: Reporting bugs and bisection, Al Viro, (Mon Apr 14, 3:23 am)

Re: Reporting bugs and bisection, James Morris, (Mon Apr 14, 11:54 am)

Re: Reporting bugs and bisection, David Newall, (Tue Apr 15, 5:33 am)

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Re: Reporting bugs and bisection, David Newall, (Thu Apr 17, 1:04 pm)

Re: Reporting bugs and bisection, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Thu Apr 17, 3:09 pm)

Re: Reporting bugs and bisection, Ray Lee, (Thu Apr 17, 3:35 pm)

Re: Reporting bugs and bisection, Al Viro, (Thu Apr 17, 4:16 pm)

Re: Reporting bugs and bisection, Ray Lee, (Thu Apr 17, 4:38 pm)

Re: Reporting bugs and bisection, Al Viro, (Thu Apr 17, 4:53 pm)

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Re: Reporting bugs and bisection, Sverre Rabbelier, (Thu Apr 17, 3:57 pm)

Re: Reporting bugs and bisection, Adrian Bunk, (Wed Apr 16, 9:26 am)

Re: Reporting bugs and bisection, Willy Tarreau, (Wed Apr 16, 4:04 pm)

Re: Reporting bugs and bisection, Sverre Rabbelier, (Wed Apr 16, 3:39 pm)

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Re: Reporting bugs and bisection, Adrian Bunk, (Wed Apr 16, 5:25 pm)

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Re: Reporting bugs and bisection, Michael Kerrisk, (Tue Apr 15, 5:54 am)

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Re: Reporting bugs and bisection, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Tue Apr 15, 4:51 pm)

Re: Reporting bugs and bisection, David Newall, (Tue Apr 15, 10:34 pm)

Re: Reporting bugs and bisection, Willy Tarreau, (Wed Apr 16, 12:29 am)

Re: Reporting bugs and bisection, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Apr 16, 8:13 am)

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Re: Reporting bugs and bisection, Andi Kleen, (Wed Apr 16, 7:02 am)

Re: Reporting bugs and bisection, David Miller, (Mon Apr 14, 6:01 pm)

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Re: Reporting bugs and bisection (was: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP t..., Rafael J. Wysocki, (Sun Apr 13, 3:27 pm)

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