Re: [PATCH 4/8] rfkill: add read-write rfkill switch support

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To: Ivo van Doorn <ivdoorn@...>
Cc: <linux-kernel@...>, John W. Linville <linville@...>, Dmitry Torokhov <dtor@...>
Date: Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 9:20 pm

On Sat, 12 Apr 2008, Ivo van Doorn wrote:

I have looked into this, now.  And I have to say I am not impressed with
the use of the input system for this.  My guess is that somehow the need
to issue state changes for "the stuff the user slides/presses" got
confused with the need to keep the state of the "hardware and software
that enables/disables radios", just because both are called "rfkill
switches".

The current flow for read/write switches (i.e. using input-polldev) is
this:

The players:
A: RFKILL class code: write-only with a state cache
B: rfkill-input
C: the code supporting the device registered with the rfkill class
D: something else, like a hardware signal line or firmware

The flow:
C: sets initial state, and registers rfkill device with A.
A: keeps state cache in sync with any changes that goes through it
D: toggles radio state directly, A doesn't know about it.
C: using pooling or some other method, finds out what D did.
C: issues an INPUT EVENT(!!) to force A to resync itself
B: traps the INPUT EVENT, and tells A to change radio state FOR ALL
   RADIOS of that type
A: toggles the radio to the state B wanted.

It is no surprise that b43 can't work right if it is using that flow.

Here's what is wrong with it:

  1. Usage of input events that matter to an entire group of drivers
     to syncronize something that is specific to a single device

  2. Dependency of an OPTIONAL input handler to do it, and let's not
     forget this can become a MAJOR mess if userspace decides to butt
     in, which it is indeed *expected* to do

  3. (some drivers like b43, not a rfkill class issue): the use of
     KEY_  events to set a desired state for a radio is wrong.  That
     event tells rfkill to toggle the radio state, and NOT to set it
     to a particular state.  One would need EV_SW events for this.

  4. Extremely heavy-weight, convoluted, complex information flow
     path, prone to races when there are multiple rfkill devices of
     the same type involved.

  5. Breaks completely if user_claim is used.

There might be more issues with this approach, but the above is damn
good enough reason to change the approach, already.

IMPORTANT: do note that there is nothing wrong with using input-polldev
to monitor a hardware GPIO pin or somesuch, and issue input events every
time there is a change in the state of a rfkill switch (in the "the
stuff the user slides/presses" sense).   That's not what I am talking
about.


They're broken by design, at least in b43's case.  Someone (Carlos, I
believe?) posted an example of a ping-pong scenario using b43.


Given the above, would you ACK the idea that we implement a read path
for rfkill state (in the "hardware and software that enables/disables
radios" sense), which might as well be something very close to what this
patch did, AND leave input-polldev for the input device side of things?

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[GIT PATCH] rfkill support for r/w and r/o rfkill switches, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh..., (Fri Apr 11, 4:37 pm)
[PATCH 6/8] rfkill: add the WWAN radio type, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh..., (Fri Apr 11, 4:37 pm)
Re: [PATCH 6/8] rfkill: add the WWAN radio type, Ivo van Doorn, (Sat Apr 12, 6:36 am)
Re: [PATCH 6/8] rfkill: add the WWAN radio type, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh..., (Sat Apr 12, 8:15 am)
Re: [PATCH 6/8] rfkill: add the WWAN radio type, Inaky Perez-Gonzalez, (Sat Apr 12, 7:23 pm)
Re: [PATCH 6/8] rfkill: add the WWAN radio type, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh..., (Sun Apr 13, 1:25 pm)
Re: [PATCH 6/8] rfkill: add the WWAN radio type, Ivo van Doorn, (Sun Apr 13, 1:37 pm)
Re: [PATCH 6/8] rfkill: add the WWAN radio type, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh..., (Sun Apr 13, 2:16 pm)
Re: [PATCH 6/8] rfkill: add the WWAN radio type, Dmitry Torokhov, (Mon Apr 14, 12:20 am)
Re: [PATCH 6/8] rfkill: add the WWAN radio type, Ivo van Doorn, (Sat Apr 12, 8:28 am)
Re: [PATCH 6/8] rfkill: add the WWAN radio type, Inaky Perez-Gonzalez, (Fri Apr 11, 4:44 pm)
Re: [PATCH 6/8] rfkill: add the WWAN radio type, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh..., (Fri Apr 11, 4:53 pm)
[PATCH 8/8] rfkill: add parameter to disable radios by default, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh..., (Fri Apr 11, 4:37 pm)
Re: [PATCH 8/8] rfkill: add parameter to disable radios by d..., Henrique de Moraes Holschuh..., (Sat Apr 12, 8:56 am)
Re: [PATCH 8/8] rfkill: add parameter to disable radios by d..., Henrique de Moraes Holschuh..., (Sat Apr 12, 10:43 am)
Re: [PATCH 8/8] rfkill: add parameter to disable radios by d..., Henrique de Moraes Holschuh..., (Sat Apr 12, 2:36 pm)
[PATCH 5/8] rfkill: add read-only rfkill switch support, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh..., (Fri Apr 11, 4:37 pm)
[PATCH 7/8] rfkill: add an "any radio" switch type and funct..., Henrique de Moraes Holschuh..., (Fri Apr 11, 4:37 pm)
Re: [PATCH 7/8] rfkill: add an "any radio" switch type and f..., Henrique de Moraes Holschuh..., (Sun Apr 13, 1:40 pm)
[PATCH 3/8] rfkill: handle KEY_RADIO and SW_RADIO events, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh..., (Fri Apr 11, 4:37 pm)
Re: [PATCH 3/8] rfkill: handle KEY_RADIO and SW_RADIO events, Dmitry Torokhov, (Sat Apr 12, 11:47 am)
Re: [PATCH 3/8] rfkill: handle KEY_RADIO and SW_RADIO events, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh..., (Sat Apr 12, 2:02 pm)
Re: [PATCH 3/8] rfkill: handle KEY_RADIO and SW_RADIO events, Carlos Corbacho, (Sat Apr 12, 3:09 pm)
Re: [PATCH 3/8] rfkill: handle KEY_RADIO and SW_RADIO events, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh..., (Sat Apr 12, 4:36 pm)
Re: [PATCH 3/8] rfkill: handle KEY_RADIO and SW_RADIO events, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh..., (Sat Apr 12, 8:05 am)
Re: [PATCH 3/8] rfkill: handle KEY_RADIO and SW_RADIO events, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh..., (Sat Apr 12, 9:08 am)
[PATCH 2/8] rfkill: fix minor typo in kernel doc, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh..., (Fri Apr 11, 4:37 pm)
[PATCH 4/8] rfkill: add read-write rfkill switch support, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh..., (Fri Apr 11, 4:37 pm)
Re: [PATCH 4/8] rfkill: add read-write rfkill switch support, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh..., (Sun Apr 13, 9:20 pm)
Re: [PATCH 4/8] rfkill: add read-write rfkill switch support, Carlos Corbacho, (Mon Apr 14, 3:06 pm)
Re: [PATCH 4/8] rfkill: add read-write rfkill switch support, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh..., (Mon Apr 14, 5:46 pm)
Re: [PATCH 4/8] rfkill: add read-write rfkill switch support, Dmitry Torokhov, (Mon Apr 14, 4:23 pm)
Re: [PATCH 4/8] rfkill: add read-write rfkill switch support, Carlos Corbacho, (Tue Apr 15, 3:27 am)
Re: [PATCH 4/8] rfkill: add read-write rfkill switch support, Dmitry Torokhov, (Tue Apr 15, 8:58 am)
Re: [PATCH 4/8] rfkill: add read-write rfkill switch support, Dmitry Torokhov, (Mon Apr 14, 10:16 am)
Re: [PATCH 4/8] rfkill: add read-write rfkill switch support, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh..., (Mon Apr 14, 10:36 am)
Re: [PATCH 4/8] rfkill: add read-write rfkill switch support, Dmitry Torokhov, (Mon Apr 14, 11:19 am)
Re: [PATCH 4/8] rfkill: add read-write rfkill switch support, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh..., (Mon Apr 14, 12:33 pm)
Re: [PATCH 4/8] rfkill: add read-write rfkill switch support, Dmitry Torokhov, (Mon Apr 14, 2:05 pm)
Re: [PATCH 4/8] rfkill: add read-write rfkill switch support, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh..., (Mon Apr 14, 5:41 pm)
[PATCH 1/8] rfkill: clarify meaning of rfkill states, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh..., (Fri Apr 11, 4:37 pm)
Re: [PATCH 1/8] rfkill: clarify meaning of rfkill states, Dmitry Torokhov, (Mon Apr 14, 12:22 am)