Re: [RFC PATCH 25/26] UBIFS: add debugging stuff

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To: Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind@...>
Cc: Artem Bityutskiy <Artem.Bityutskiy@...>, LKML <linux-kernel@...>, Adrian Hunter <ext-adrian.hunter@...>
Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2008 - 3:33 am

Hi Artem,

Artem Bityutskiy wrote:

Why would you want to have assertions that are compiled out by default? 
Either you handle the error or don't (and have an assertion). The reason 
some subsystems have had their own asserts is because they go overboard 
with defensive checks as they haven't bothered to think through a 
reasonable error handling strategy. The downside? It clutters the code 
and causes the (compiled out) assertions to bit-rot.

Note that they're also a total pain in the ass to enable for anyone not 
intimately familiar with your code. Not to mention you're now making the 
lives of those crazy embedded folks that disable CONFIG_BUG for smaller 
kernel size harder as well.

Do you know why we don't have compiled out asserts in the core kernel? 
That's because it simply can't just roll-over and die if something 
unexpected happens and your filesystem shouldn't probably do that 
either. Sure, if you have some debugging checks that are way too 
expensive for production use, you might want to have a 
CONFIG_UBIFS_DEBUG but that shouldn't happen at assertion level but 
rather at much higher level.

And btw, for optional printks, we have a lot of tracing infrastructure 
in the kernel already (kprobes, relayfs, ftrace probably soon), so if 
you want to have tracing for UBIFS (you probably don't), don't invent 
your mechanism. But for most printks, they're either useful or they're 
not. Again, I do see the potential need for CONFIG_UBIFS_DEBUG here, but 
doing that at printk-level is also too low-level.

			Pekka
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[RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system, Thomas Gleixner, (Fri Apr 18, 5:05 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system, Jan Engelhardt, (Mon Mar 31, 8:29 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system, Jörn, (Mon Mar 31, 9:40 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system, Adrian Hunter, (Mon Mar 31, 8:47 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system, Jörn, (Mon Mar 31, 9:20 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system, Artem Bityutskiy, (Mon Mar 31, 10:00 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system, Jörn, (Mon Mar 31, 1:17 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system, Pekka Enberg, (Mon Mar 31, 4:49 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system, Jörn, (Mon Mar 31, 5:21 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system, Artem Bityutskiy, (Tue Apr 1, 2:00 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system, Artem Bityutskiy, (Fri Mar 28, 2:45 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system, Josh Boyer, (Thu Mar 27, 12:20 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system, Artem Bityutskiy, (Fri Mar 28, 2:17 am)
[RFC PATCH 09/26] UBIFS: add key helpers, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
[RFC PATCH 26/26] UBIFS: include FS to compilation, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 26/26] UBIFS: include FS to compilation, Pekka Enberg, (Tue Apr 1, 3:39 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 26/26] UBIFS: include FS to compilation, Artem Bityutskiy, (Tue Apr 1, 4:51 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 26/26] UBIFS: include FS to compilation, Christoph Hellwig, (Sat Apr 26, 5:35 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 26/26] UBIFS: include FS to compilation, Adrian Hunter, (Mon Apr 28, 3:09 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 26/26] UBIFS: include FS to compilation, ext Christoph Hellwig, (Mon Apr 28, 5:00 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 26/26] UBIFS: include FS to compilation, Adrian Hunter, (Mon Apr 28, 7:23 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 26/26] UBIFS: include FS to compilation, ext ext Christoph Hellwig..., (Mon Apr 28, 7:39 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 26/26] UBIFS: include FS to compilation, Adrian Hunter, (Mon Apr 28, 8:25 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 26/26] UBIFS: include FS to compilation, Christoph Hellwig, (Mon Apr 28, 9:02 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 26/26] UBIFS: include FS to compilation, Pekka Enberg, (Tue Apr 1, 5:15 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 26/26] UBIFS: include FS to compilation, Artem Bityutskiy, (Tue Apr 1, 5:25 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 26/26] UBIFS: include FS to compilation, Pekka Enberg, (Tue Apr 1, 6:04 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 26/26] UBIFS: include FS to compilation, Artem Bityutskiy, (Tue Apr 1, 6:26 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 26/26] UBIFS: include FS to compilation, Pekka Enberg, (Tue Apr 1, 7:33 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 26/26] UBIFS: include FS to compilation, Christoph Hellwig, (Sat Apr 26, 5:37 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 26/26] UBIFS: include FS to compilation, Adrian Hunter, (Mon Apr 28, 3:10 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 26/26] UBIFS: include FS to compilation, ext Christoph Hellwig, (Mon Apr 28, 5:03 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 26/26] UBIFS: include FS to compilation, Adrian Hunter, (Wed Apr 30, 3:04 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 26/26] UBIFS: include FS to compilation, Artem Bityutskiy, (Tue Apr 1, 7:56 am)
[RFC PATCH 22/26] UBIFS: add extended attribute support, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
[RFC PATCH 04/26] UBIFS: add journal replay, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
[RFC PATCH 03/26] UBIFS: add flash scanning, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
[RFC PATCH 18/26] UBIFS: add LEB find subsystem, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
[RFC PATCH 16/26] UBIFS: add LEB properties tree, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
[RFC PATCH 08/26] UBIFS: add compression support, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
[RFC PATCH 07/26] UBIFS: add file-system recovery, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
[RFC PATCH 06/26] UBIFS: add superblock and master node, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
[RFC PATCH 05/26] UBIFS: add file-system build, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 05/26] UBIFS: add file-system build, Andrew Morton, (Fri Mar 28, 6:12 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 05/26] UBIFS: add file-system build, Artem Bityutskiy, (Fri Mar 28, 7:04 am)
[RFC PATCH 02/26] UBIFS: add I/O sub-system, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
[RFC PATCH 25/26] UBIFS: add debugging stuff, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 25/26] UBIFS: add debugging stuff, Pekka Enberg, (Mon Mar 31, 5:00 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 25/26] UBIFS: add debugging stuff, Artem Bityutskiy, (Tue Apr 1, 2:20 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 25/26] UBIFS: add debugging stuff, Pekka Enberg, (Tue Apr 1, 3:43 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 25/26] UBIFS: add debugging stuff, Pekka Enberg, (Tue Apr 1, 3:33 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 25/26] UBIFS: add debugging stuff, Adrian Hunter, (Tue Apr 1, 4:34 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 25/26] UBIFS: add debugging stuff, Artem Bityutskiy, (Tue Apr 1, 4:32 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 25/26] UBIFS: add debugging stuff, Pekka Enberg, (Tue Apr 1, 5:00 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 25/26] UBIFS: add debugging stuff, Artem Bityutskiy, (Tue Apr 1, 5:04 am)
[RFC PATCH 24/26] UBIFS: add header files, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
[RFC PATCH 23/26] UBIFS: add orphans handling sub-system, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
[RFC PATCH 21/26] UBIFS: add budgeting, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
[RFC PATCH 20/26] UBIFS: add VFS operations, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 20/26] UBIFS: add VFS operations, Pekka Enberg, (Tue Apr 1, 8:08 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 20/26] UBIFS: add VFS operations, Artem Bityutskiy, (Tue Apr 1, 8:42 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 20/26] UBIFS: add VFS operations, Pekka Enberg, (Tue Apr 1, 9:12 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 20/26] UBIFS: add VFS operations, Artem Bityutskiy, (Tue Apr 1, 10:04 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 20/26] UBIFS: add VFS operations, Adrian Hunter, (Tue Apr 1, 11:14 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 20/26] UBIFS: add VFS operations, Andi Kleen, (Thu Mar 27, 9:36 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 20/26] UBIFS: add VFS operations, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 9:42 am)
[RFC PATCH 19/26] UBIFS: add Garbage Collector, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 19/26] UBIFS: add Garbage Collector, Arnd Bergmann, (Mon Mar 31, 10:11 pm)
[RFC PATCH 01/26] VFS: introduce writeback_inodes_sb(), Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
[RFC PATCH 17/26] UBIFS: add LEB properties tree, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
[RFC PATCH 15/26] UBIFS: add LEB properties, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
[RFC PATCH 14/26] UBIFS: add TNC shrinker, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
[RFC PATCH 13/26] UBIFS: add TNC commit implementation, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
[RFC PATCH 12/26] UBIFS: add TNC implementation, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
[RFC PATCH 11/26] UBIFS: add commit functionality, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
[RFC PATCH 10/26] UBIFS: add the journal, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)