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Re: UBIFS vs Logfs (was [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system)

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To: Jörn Engel <joern@...>
Cc: Adrian Hunter <ext-adrian.hunter@...>, Jan Engelhardt <jengelh@...>, LKML <linux-kernel@...>, <joern@...>
Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2008 - 1:56 am

Jörn Engel wrote:
Please, lets refrain form unfair comparisons like this before logfs is
finished. Also, when you compare, please, take into account that UBI/UBIFS
has many times more commentaries in the code.

I asked you some time ago to describe how you maintain per-eraseblock
space accounting [1]. E.g., how you select an eraseblock for garbage
collection, how do you store the accounting information.

You said you find eraseblocks by scanning. This means logfs is not
really scalable because you may spend ages before you find anything
appropriate. When the FS is almost full, yo need to scan nearly
whole flash to find an eraseblock? So if I mount a nearly full 
FS, and start writing, I'll get my request handled when nearly whole
media is scanned?

UBIFS stores per-eraseblock information on the media in a B-tree, and
it also has lists of empty/dirty eraseblocks, which allow to very quickly
find the best eraseblock to garbage-collect or to write to.

[1] http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/8/8/333

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Artem Bityutskiy (Артём Битюцкий)
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[RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system, Thomas Gleixner, (Fri Apr 18, 5:05 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system, Jan Engelhardt, (Mon Mar 31, 8:29 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system, Jörn, (Mon Mar 31, 9:40 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system, Adrian Hunter, (Mon Mar 31, 8:47 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system, Jörn, (Mon Mar 31, 9:20 am)
Re: UBIFS vs Logfs (was [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file s..., Artem Bityutskiy, (Tue Apr 1, 1:56 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system, Artem Bityutskiy, (Mon Mar 31, 10:00 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system, Jörn, (Mon Mar 31, 1:17 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system, Pekka Enberg, (Mon Mar 31, 4:49 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system, Jörn, (Mon Mar 31, 5:21 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system, Artem Bityutskiy, (Tue Apr 1, 2:00 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system, Artem Bityutskiy, (Fri Mar 28, 2:45 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system, Josh Boyer, (Thu Mar 27, 12:20 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system, Artem Bityutskiy, (Fri Mar 28, 2:17 am)
[RFC PATCH 09/26] UBIFS: add key helpers, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
[RFC PATCH 26/26] UBIFS: include FS to compilation, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 26/26] UBIFS: include FS to compilation, Pekka Enberg, (Tue Apr 1, 3:39 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 26/26] UBIFS: include FS to compilation, Artem Bityutskiy, (Tue Apr 1, 4:51 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 26/26] UBIFS: include FS to compilation, Christoph Hellwig, (Sat Apr 26, 5:35 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 26/26] UBIFS: include FS to compilation, Adrian Hunter, (Mon Apr 28, 3:09 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 26/26] UBIFS: include FS to compilation, ext Christoph Hellwig, (Mon Apr 28, 5:00 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 26/26] UBIFS: include FS to compilation, Adrian Hunter, (Mon Apr 28, 7:23 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 26/26] UBIFS: include FS to compilation, ext ext Christoph Hellwig..., (Mon Apr 28, 7:39 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 26/26] UBIFS: include FS to compilation, Adrian Hunter, (Mon Apr 28, 8:25 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 26/26] UBIFS: include FS to compilation, Christoph Hellwig, (Mon Apr 28, 9:02 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 26/26] UBIFS: include FS to compilation, Pekka Enberg, (Tue Apr 1, 5:15 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 26/26] UBIFS: include FS to compilation, Artem Bityutskiy, (Tue Apr 1, 5:25 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 26/26] UBIFS: include FS to compilation, Pekka Enberg, (Tue Apr 1, 6:04 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 26/26] UBIFS: include FS to compilation, Artem Bityutskiy, (Tue Apr 1, 6:26 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 26/26] UBIFS: include FS to compilation, Pekka Enberg, (Tue Apr 1, 7:33 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 26/26] UBIFS: include FS to compilation, Christoph Hellwig, (Sat Apr 26, 5:37 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 26/26] UBIFS: include FS to compilation, Adrian Hunter, (Mon Apr 28, 3:10 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 26/26] UBIFS: include FS to compilation, ext Christoph Hellwig, (Mon Apr 28, 5:03 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 26/26] UBIFS: include FS to compilation, Adrian Hunter, (Wed Apr 30, 3:04 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 26/26] UBIFS: include FS to compilation, Artem Bityutskiy, (Tue Apr 1, 7:56 am)
[RFC PATCH 22/26] UBIFS: add extended attribute support, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
[RFC PATCH 04/26] UBIFS: add journal replay, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
[RFC PATCH 03/26] UBIFS: add flash scanning, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
[RFC PATCH 18/26] UBIFS: add LEB find subsystem, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
[RFC PATCH 16/26] UBIFS: add LEB properties tree, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
[RFC PATCH 08/26] UBIFS: add compression support, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
[RFC PATCH 07/26] UBIFS: add file-system recovery, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
[RFC PATCH 06/26] UBIFS: add superblock and master node, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
[RFC PATCH 05/26] UBIFS: add file-system build, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 05/26] UBIFS: add file-system build, Andrew Morton, (Fri Mar 28, 6:12 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 05/26] UBIFS: add file-system build, Artem Bityutskiy, (Fri Mar 28, 7:04 am)
[RFC PATCH 02/26] UBIFS: add I/O sub-system, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
[RFC PATCH 25/26] UBIFS: add debugging stuff, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 25/26] UBIFS: add debugging stuff, Pekka Enberg, (Mon Mar 31, 5:00 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 25/26] UBIFS: add debugging stuff, Artem Bityutskiy, (Tue Apr 1, 2:20 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 25/26] UBIFS: add debugging stuff, Pekka Enberg, (Tue Apr 1, 3:43 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 25/26] UBIFS: add debugging stuff, Pekka Enberg, (Tue Apr 1, 3:33 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 25/26] UBIFS: add debugging stuff, Adrian Hunter, (Tue Apr 1, 4:34 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 25/26] UBIFS: add debugging stuff, Artem Bityutskiy, (Tue Apr 1, 4:32 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 25/26] UBIFS: add debugging stuff, Pekka Enberg, (Tue Apr 1, 5:00 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 25/26] UBIFS: add debugging stuff, Artem Bityutskiy, (Tue Apr 1, 5:04 am)
[RFC PATCH 24/26] UBIFS: add header files, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
[RFC PATCH 23/26] UBIFS: add orphans handling sub-system, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
[RFC PATCH 21/26] UBIFS: add budgeting, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
[RFC PATCH 20/26] UBIFS: add VFS operations, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 20/26] UBIFS: add VFS operations, Pekka Enberg, (Tue Apr 1, 8:08 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 20/26] UBIFS: add VFS operations, Artem Bityutskiy, (Tue Apr 1, 8:42 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 20/26] UBIFS: add VFS operations, Pekka Enberg, (Tue Apr 1, 9:12 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 20/26] UBIFS: add VFS operations, Artem Bityutskiy, (Tue Apr 1, 10:04 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 20/26] UBIFS: add VFS operations, Adrian Hunter, (Tue Apr 1, 11:14 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 20/26] UBIFS: add VFS operations, Andi Kleen, (Thu Mar 27, 9:36 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 20/26] UBIFS: add VFS operations, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 9:42 am)
[RFC PATCH 19/26] UBIFS: add Garbage Collector, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 19/26] UBIFS: add Garbage Collector, Arnd Bergmann, (Mon Mar 31, 10:11 pm)
[RFC PATCH 01/26] VFS: introduce writeback_inodes_sb(), Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
[RFC PATCH 17/26] UBIFS: add LEB properties tree, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
[RFC PATCH 15/26] UBIFS: add LEB properties, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
[RFC PATCH 14/26] UBIFS: add TNC shrinker, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
[RFC PATCH 13/26] UBIFS: add TNC commit implementation, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
[RFC PATCH 12/26] UBIFS: add TNC implementation, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
[RFC PATCH 11/26] UBIFS: add commit functionality, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
[RFC PATCH 10/26] UBIFS: add the journal, Artem Bityutskiy, (Thu Mar 27, 10:55 am)
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