Re: [PATCH] x86_64: resize NR_IRQS for large machines

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To: <torvalds@...>, <mingo@...>
Cc: linux-kernel list <linux-kernel@...>, Robin Holt <holt@...>, Jack Steiner <steiner@...>, Russ Anderson <rja@...>
Date: Monday, March 24, 2008 - 10:31 am

Subject: [PATCH] x86_64: resize NR_IRQS for large machines

From: Alan Mayer <ajm@sgi.com>

On machines with very large numbers of cpus, tables that are dimensioned
by NR_IRQS get very large, especially the irq_desc table. They are also
very sparsely used. When the cpu count is > MAX_IO_APICS, use MAX_IO_APICS
to set NR_IRQS, otherwise use NR_CPUS.

Signed-off-by: Alan Mayer <ajm@sgi.com>

Reviewed-by: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>

---

Index: v2.6.25-rc6/include/asm-x86/irq_64.h
===================================================================
--- v2.6.25-rc6.orig/include/asm-x86/irq_64.h 2008-03-19 16:52:52.000000000 -0500
+++ v2.6.25-rc6/include/asm-x86/irq_64.h 2008-03-20 16:46:51.000000000 -0500
@@ -10,6 +10,10 @@
* <tomsoft@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de>
*/

+#if !defined(MAX_IO_APICS)
+#include <asm/apicdef.h>
+#endif
+
#define TIMER_IRQ 0

/*
@@ -31,7 +35,11 @@

#define FIRST_SYSTEM_VECTOR 0xef /* duplicated in hw_irq.h */

-#define NR_IRQS (NR_VECTORS + (32 *NR_CPUS))
+#if NR_CPUS < MAX_IO_APICS
+#define NR_IRQS (NR_VECTORS + (32 * NR_CPUS))
+#else
+#define NR_IRQS (NR_VECTORS + (32 * MAX_IO_APICS))
+#endif
#define NR_IRQ_VECTORS NR_IRQS

static __inline__ int irq_canonicalize(int irq)
Index: v2.6.25-rc6/include/linux/kernel_stat.h
===================================================================
--- v2.6.25-rc6.orig/include/linux/kernel_stat.h 2008-03-19 16:53:00.000000000 -0500
+++ v2.6.25-rc6/include/linux/kernel_stat.h 2008-03-20 11:12:27.000000000 -0500
@@ -1,11 +1,11 @@
#ifndef _LINUX_KERNEL_STAT_H
#define _LINUX_KERNEL_STAT_H

-#include <asm/irq.h>
#include <linux/smp.h>
#include <linux/threads.h>
#include <linux/percpu.h>
#include <linux/cpumask.h>
+#include <asm/irq.h>
#include <asm/cputime.h>

/*

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To: Alan Mayer <ajm@...>
Cc: <torvalds@...>, <mingo@...>, linux-kernel list <linux-kernel@...>, Robin Holt <holt@...>, Jack Steiner <steiner@...>, Russ Anderson <rja@...>
Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 7:10 pm

This is very ugly. Why not include it unconditionally -- with guard in
apicdef.h?
Pavel
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To: Pavel Machek <pavel@...>
Cc: Alan Mayer <ajm@...>, <torvalds@...>, <mingo@...>, linux-kernel list <linux-kernel@...>, Robin Holt <holt@...>, Jack Steiner <steiner@...>, Russ Anderson <rja@...>
Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 - 2:49 pm

Okay, I can change that.

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To: Pavel Machek <pavel@...>
Cc: Alan Mayer <ajm@...>, <mingo@...>, linux-kernel list <linux-kernel@...>, Robin Holt <holt@...>, Jack Steiner <steiner@...>, Russ Anderson <rja@...>
Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 - 12:29 pm

I do agree that it's ugly, but I think the ugliness is more serious than
that.

What I think we should do is to make NR_IRQS no longer be a compile-time
constant, but instead just do something like

unsigned int NR_IRQS __read_mostly;

and then just set it early in the boot sequence depending on the real CPU
numbers etc.

I realize that this will require some changes to a few arrays that are
statically allocated and depend on NR_IRQ's (notably "irq_desc"), but
don't you guys think that this would be a cleaner thing?

[ I suspect that irq_desc[] itself could quite reasonably be a rather much
smaller __read_mostly hash-table of dynamically allocated entries - the
thing would be only modified at boot, so it should cache beautifully
even across hundreds of CPU's ]

Whatever. I'm not opposed to this whole static thing, but I do wonder if
it's worth doing that way. There *may* be performance reasons for doing it
the way we're doing it, but quite frankly, I think the #define is mostly
purely historical, from when it was just a fixed number (originally 16!)
and it made sense to think of it as a small static array.

Linus
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To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...>
Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel@...>, Alan Mayer <ajm@...>, <mingo@...>, linux-kernel list <linux-kernel@...>, Robin Holt <holt@...>, Jack Steiner <steiner@...>, Russ Anderson <rja@...>
Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 - 2:55 pm

Well, I was looking at it from that point of view. But, when I found myself
looking at code, particularly in drivers, that indexed into the irq_desc array
and started modifying the descriptor in place and then calling setup_irq(),
I realized that what was needed was a redesign of the whole mess from first
principals. I still think that's what needs to be done, but by some one with
more experience and credibility than me. Maybe in a year I'd be willing
to attempt it, but not today.

--ajm

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To: Alan Mayer <ajm@...>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...>, Pavel Machek <pavel@...>, <mingo@...>, linux-kernel list <linux-kernel@...>, Robin Holt <holt@...>, Jack Steiner <steiner@...>, Russ Anderson <rja@...>
Date: Saturday, April 12, 2008 - 4:12 pm

Well I will agree with Linus and go one farther and say that NR_IRQS
needs to die. I started on that once and x86 is just about ready to
accomodate it.

There is a size issue on small machines. And there is very bad NUMA
affinity on large machines. So the current structure really is not
optimal for anyone. All of this gets especially bad for distro kernels
that try and support everything.

Also MAX_IOAPICS is very much the wrong factor to be using on large
machines to size the irq array. New machines are moving towards MSI and
cards can have an unreasonable number of MSI irqs. In practice the top
end I have seen is 20-30 per card but it is still a lot. So I think
you may get a nasty surprise when you plug in a bunch of high
performance cards with multiple queues into a big box. The 32*NR_CPUS
as a rule of thumb comes from IBM boxes that are a little better
balanced when it comes to compute vs. I/O capablility.

For actual irq reception we have our per cpu array of vectors that point
to the irq_desc so even if the global list of irqs was a linked list we
should not have performance problems.

I need to do some sorting out of sysfs first but I will certainly see if
I can look at this again. And I will very much be willing to work with
someone else who wants to work on this and has more time then I do at
the moment.

The basic idea is moving the generic irq apis to a point where we can
refer to irqs in the generic code with a struct irq * instead of by
number. We really only the need the number for talking about irqs to
user space.

Eric

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To: Alan Mayer <ajm@...>
Cc: <torvalds@...>, linux-kernel list <linux-kernel@...>, Robin Holt <holt@...>, Jack Steiner <steiner@...>, Russ Anderson <rja@...>
Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 12:19 pm

thanks, applied. I suspect this can wait until .26, as there appears to
be a number of other patches that you need to get these boxes running on
vanilla, right?

Ingo
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To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@...>
Cc: Alan Mayer <ajm@...>, <torvalds@...>, linux-kernel list <linux-kernel@...>, Robin Holt <holt@...>, Jack Steiner <steiner@...>, Russ Anderson <rja@...>
Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 12:24 pm

That's right. Thanks.

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A larger voice is calling me.
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