Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet

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From: Alan Cox
Date: Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 2:55 pm

> > That isn't anything to do with what was being proposed. *ORDERING* not

In your design the entire ramdisk goes bang and disappears on a crash.


You only have to care about ordering if there is a store barrier between
the two (not usual). You only have to care about filling if you generate
enough dirty blocks at a very high rate (which is unusual for most
workloads). If you don't care about those then we have ramdisk already and
if you want to write a ramdisk driver for external ramdisk great. You'd
also fix the layering violations then by allowing device mapper to
implement things like snapshotting and writeback seperated from your
driver.

Even in the extreme case that you propose there are trivial ways of
getting coherency. Simple example - if you can sweep all the data out in
say 10 minutes then you can buy twice the physical media and ensure that
one of the two sets of disk backups is genuinely store barrier consistent
to some snapshot time (say every 30 minutes but obviously user tunable).
If you at least had some kind of credible snapshotting you'd find people
less hostile to your glorified ramdisk.


Stable storage to most people means "won't go away on a bad happening".
Transaction likewise has a specific meaning in terms of an event occuring
once only an either being recorded before or after the transaction
occurred.

Alan
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[ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sun Mar 9, 11:46 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Grzegorz Kulewski, (Mon Mar 10, 12:51 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Mon Mar 10, 1:23 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Artur Skawina, (Mon Mar 10, 7:51 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Chris Snook, (Mon Mar 10, 11:49 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Rik van Riel, (Mon Mar 10, 12:01 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Lars Marowsky-Bree, (Mon Mar 10, 2:03 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Mon Mar 10, 8:50 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Mon Mar 10, 9:23 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Mon Mar 10, 9:28 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Mon Mar 10, 10:22 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Tue Mar 11, 4:14 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Lars Marowsky-Bree, (Tue Mar 11, 4:23 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Tue Mar 11, 4:50 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Artur Skawina, (Tue Mar 11, 6:32 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Artur Skawina, (Tue Mar 11, 7:31 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Chris Friesen, (Tue Mar 11, 10:26 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Tue Mar 11, 12:56 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Willy Tarreau, (Tue Mar 11, 1:53 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Lars Marowsky-Bree, (Tue Mar 11, 2:56 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Tue Mar 11, 4:02 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Tue Mar 11, 4:30 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Wed Mar 12, 1:17 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, tvrtko.ursulin, (Wed Mar 12, 5:01 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Mike Snitzer, (Wed Mar 12, 7:41 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Wed Mar 12, 10:27 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Wed Mar 12, 10:29 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Chris Friesen, (Wed Mar 12, 11:11 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Wed Mar 12, 3:56 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, David Newall, (Wed Mar 12, 10:39 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, David Newall, (Wed Mar 12, 10:45 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Wed Mar 12, 11:14 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Wed Mar 12, 11:17 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, David Newall, (Wed Mar 12, 11:30 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Wed Mar 12, 11:50 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, David Newall, (Thu Mar 13, 12:05 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 12:12 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 12:13 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 1:06 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Matthias Schniedermeyer, (Thu Mar 13, 2:15 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 2:16 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 2:49 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Ric Wheeler, (Thu Mar 13, 6:27 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 12:02 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Ric Wheeler, (Thu Mar 13, 12:12 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 12:14 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 12:32 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 12:38 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, David Newall, (Thu Mar 13, 12:50 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 1:03 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Rik van Riel, (Thu Mar 13, 1:27 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Rik van Riel, (Thu Mar 13, 1:34 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 7:20 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 7:23 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, David Newall, (Thu Mar 13, 10:22 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 10:42 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, John Stoffel, (Fri Mar 14, 7:00 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Jeff Moyer, (Fri Mar 14, 10:53 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Pavel Machek, (Sat Mar 15, 6:32 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Pavel Machek, (Sat Mar 15, 1:18 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sat Mar 15, 1:22 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Pavel Machek, (Sat Mar 15, 1:26 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Mike Snitzer, (Sat Mar 15, 1:40 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sat Mar 15, 1:51 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Willy Tarreau, (Sat Mar 15, 1:59 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sat Mar 15, 2:05 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sat Mar 15, 2:17 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sat Mar 15, 2:25 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Pavel Machek, (Sat Mar 15, 2:33 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sat Mar 15, 2:47 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sat Mar 15, 2:51 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Willy Tarreau, (Sat Mar 15, 2:54 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sat Mar 15, 3:00 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sat Mar 15, 3:33 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Bernd Eckenfels, (Sat Mar 15, 4:18 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Willy Tarreau, (Sat Mar 15, 4:22 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Krzysztof Halasa, (Sat Mar 15, 4:57 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sat Mar 15, 8:33 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, David Newall, (Sat Mar 15, 10:24 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, David Newall, (Sat Mar 15, 10:42 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Willy Tarreau, (Sat Mar 15, 11:56 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Theodore Tso, (Sun Mar 16, 12:04 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sun Mar 16, 1:48 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Alan Cox, (Sun Mar 16, 2:55 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sun Mar 16, 2:57 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Krzysztof Halasa, (Sun Mar 16, 3:02 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Krzysztof Halasa, (Sun Mar 16, 3:12 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Krzysztof Halasa, (Sun Mar 16, 3:15 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sun Mar 16, 3:36 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sun Mar 16, 3:38 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Krzysztof Halasa, (Sun Mar 16, 4:08 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sun Mar 16, 4:39 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sun Mar 16, 4:43 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, David Newall, (Sun Mar 16, 6:31 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sun Mar 16, 7:42 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sun Mar 16, 10:52 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, David Newall, (Mon Mar 17, 12:14 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Mon Mar 17, 1:16 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Mon Mar 17, 1:25 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Ric Wheeler, (Mon Mar 17, 6:52 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Willy Tarreau, (Mon Mar 17, 10:30 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, David Newall, (Mon Mar 17, 11:56 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Pavel Machek, (Sun Mar 23, 2:33 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sun Mar 23, 1:44 pm)