Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet

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From: Daniel Phillips
Date: Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 2:57 pm

On Saturday 15 March 2008 16:05, Alan Cox wrote:0

This is where you have made a fundamental mistake in your proposal.
Suppose you have a steady, heavy write load onto ramback.  Eventually,
the entire ramdisk will be dirty and you have to drop back to disk
speed, right?  My design does not suffer from that problem, but your
proposal does.

It gets worse than that.  Suppose somebody writes the same region
twice, how do you order that?  Do you try to store that new data
somewhere, keeping in mind that we are already at terabyte scale?  Is
there a limit on how much overwrite data you may have to store?  (No.)


Somebody has.  But please feel free to solve some other problem.  I
would love to see a detailed design from you, or a patch.


The UPS provides a guarantee of commit to stable storage.  No amount of
FUD will change that.  But please go ahead and calculate the risks
involved.  I am confident you will admit that there are standard]
techniques available to ameliorate risk, which may be applied _on top of_
ramback, thus not destroying its microsecond-level transaction
performance as you propose.

Daniel
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[ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sun Mar 9, 11:46 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Grzegorz Kulewski, (Mon Mar 10, 12:51 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Mon Mar 10, 1:23 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Artur Skawina, (Mon Mar 10, 7:51 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Chris Snook, (Mon Mar 10, 11:49 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Rik van Riel, (Mon Mar 10, 12:01 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Lars Marowsky-Bree, (Mon Mar 10, 2:03 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Mon Mar 10, 8:50 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Mon Mar 10, 9:23 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Mon Mar 10, 9:28 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Mon Mar 10, 10:22 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Tue Mar 11, 4:14 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Lars Marowsky-Bree, (Tue Mar 11, 4:23 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Tue Mar 11, 4:50 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Artur Skawina, (Tue Mar 11, 6:32 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Artur Skawina, (Tue Mar 11, 7:31 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Chris Friesen, (Tue Mar 11, 10:26 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Tue Mar 11, 12:56 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Willy Tarreau, (Tue Mar 11, 1:53 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Lars Marowsky-Bree, (Tue Mar 11, 2:56 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Tue Mar 11, 4:02 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Tue Mar 11, 4:30 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Wed Mar 12, 1:17 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, tvrtko.ursulin, (Wed Mar 12, 5:01 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Mike Snitzer, (Wed Mar 12, 7:41 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Wed Mar 12, 10:27 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Wed Mar 12, 10:29 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Chris Friesen, (Wed Mar 12, 11:11 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Wed Mar 12, 3:56 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, David Newall, (Wed Mar 12, 10:39 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, David Newall, (Wed Mar 12, 10:45 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Wed Mar 12, 11:14 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Wed Mar 12, 11:17 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, David Newall, (Wed Mar 12, 11:30 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Wed Mar 12, 11:50 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, David Newall, (Thu Mar 13, 12:05 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 12:12 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 12:13 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 1:06 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Matthias Schniedermeyer, (Thu Mar 13, 2:15 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 2:16 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 2:49 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Ric Wheeler, (Thu Mar 13, 6:27 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 12:02 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Ric Wheeler, (Thu Mar 13, 12:12 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 12:14 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 12:32 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 12:38 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, David Newall, (Thu Mar 13, 12:50 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 1:03 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Rik van Riel, (Thu Mar 13, 1:27 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Rik van Riel, (Thu Mar 13, 1:34 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 7:20 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 7:23 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, David Newall, (Thu Mar 13, 10:22 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 10:42 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, John Stoffel, (Fri Mar 14, 7:00 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Jeff Moyer, (Fri Mar 14, 10:53 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Pavel Machek, (Sat Mar 15, 6:32 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Pavel Machek, (Sat Mar 15, 1:18 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sat Mar 15, 1:22 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Pavel Machek, (Sat Mar 15, 1:26 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Mike Snitzer, (Sat Mar 15, 1:40 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sat Mar 15, 1:51 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Willy Tarreau, (Sat Mar 15, 1:59 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sat Mar 15, 2:05 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sat Mar 15, 2:17 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sat Mar 15, 2:25 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Pavel Machek, (Sat Mar 15, 2:33 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sat Mar 15, 2:47 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sat Mar 15, 2:51 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Willy Tarreau, (Sat Mar 15, 2:54 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sat Mar 15, 3:00 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sat Mar 15, 3:33 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Bernd Eckenfels, (Sat Mar 15, 4:18 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Willy Tarreau, (Sat Mar 15, 4:22 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Krzysztof Halasa, (Sat Mar 15, 4:57 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sat Mar 15, 8:33 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, David Newall, (Sat Mar 15, 10:24 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, David Newall, (Sat Mar 15, 10:42 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Willy Tarreau, (Sat Mar 15, 11:56 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Theodore Tso, (Sun Mar 16, 12:04 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sun Mar 16, 1:48 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sun Mar 16, 2:57 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Krzysztof Halasa, (Sun Mar 16, 3:02 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Krzysztof Halasa, (Sun Mar 16, 3:12 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Krzysztof Halasa, (Sun Mar 16, 3:15 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sun Mar 16, 3:36 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sun Mar 16, 3:38 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Krzysztof Halasa, (Sun Mar 16, 4:08 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sun Mar 16, 4:39 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sun Mar 16, 4:43 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, David Newall, (Sun Mar 16, 6:31 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sun Mar 16, 7:42 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sun Mar 16, 10:52 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, David Newall, (Mon Mar 17, 12:14 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Mon Mar 17, 1:16 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Mon Mar 17, 1:25 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Ric Wheeler, (Mon Mar 17, 6:52 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Willy Tarreau, (Mon Mar 17, 10:30 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, David Newall, (Mon Mar 17, 11:56 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Pavel Machek, (Sun Mar 23, 2:33 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sun Mar 23, 1:44 pm)