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To: Daniel Phillips <phillips@...>
Cc: Willy Tarreau <w@...>, David Newall <davidn@...>, <linux-kernel@...>
Date: Saturday, March 15, 2008 - 7:05 pm

> > It makes a lot of difference,

I think "I get my data back" is a difference in kind.


That isn't anything to do with what was being proposed. *ORDERING* not
flush to media.


The ones that don't respect tagged ordering are the ultra cheap nasty
things you buy down the local computer store that come with a 2 page
manual in something vaguely like English. The stuff used for real work is
quite different.


I want the speed and reliability. Without that ramback is a distraction
until someone solves the real problems.


You have no guarantee of commit to stable storage so your use of the word
"transaction" is a bit farcical.

There are a whole variety of ways to get far better results than "whoops
bang there goes the file system". Log structured backing media is one,
even snapshots. That way you'd quantify that for the cost of more
rotating storage (which is cheap) you can only lose "x" minutes of data
and will lose everything from a defined consistent point. File based
backing store also has similar properties done right, but needs some
higher level care to track closure and dirty blocks on a per inode basis.

Alan
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[ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Mon Mar 10, 2:46 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Wed Mar 12, 1:27 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Tue Mar 11, 1:22 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Chris Snook, (Mon Mar 10, 2:49 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Artur Skawina, (Mon Mar 10, 10:51 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Mon Mar 10, 11:50 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Wed Mar 12, 1:29 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, David Newall, (Thu Mar 13, 1:39 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 2:14 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 3:14 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Willy Tarreau, (Sat Mar 15, 4:59 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sat Mar 15, 5:25 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sat Mar 15, 5:51 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sat Mar 15, 5:17 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, David Newall, (Sun Mar 16, 1:42 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Krzysztof Halasa, (Sun Mar 16, 6:15 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sun Mar 16, 6:38 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Krzysztof Halasa, (Sun Mar 16, 7:08 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sun Mar 16, 7:43 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sun Mar 16, 4:48 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Bernd Eckenfels, (Sat Mar 15, 7:18 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Willy Tarreau, (Sat Mar 15, 5:54 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sat Mar 15, 6:33 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Willy Tarreau, (Sat Mar 15, 7:22 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sat Mar 15, 11:33 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Krzysztof Halasa, (Sun Mar 16, 6:02 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Theodore Tso, (Sun Mar 16, 3:04 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Willy Tarreau, (Sun Mar 16, 2:56 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Krzysztof Halasa, (Sun Mar 16, 6:12 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, David Newall, (Sun Mar 16, 1:24 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Krzysztof Halasa, (Sat Mar 15, 7:57 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sat Mar 15, 6:00 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Alan Cox, (Sat Mar 15, 7:05 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sun Mar 16, 5:57 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, David Newall, (Sun Mar 16, 9:31 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sun Mar 16, 10:42 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Mon Mar 17, 1:52 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, David Newall, (Mon Mar 17, 3:14 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Mon Mar 17, 4:25 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Pavel Machek, (Sun Mar 23, 5:33 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sun Mar 23, 4:44 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, David Newall, (Mon Mar 17, 2:56 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Mon Mar 17, 4:16 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Willy Tarreau, (Mon Mar 17, 1:30 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Ric Wheeler, (Mon Mar 17, 9:52 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sun Mar 16, 6:36 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sun Mar 16, 7:39 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Rik van Riel, (Thu Mar 13, 4:27 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 10:23 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, John Stoffel, (Fri Mar 14, 10:00 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, David Newall, (Fri Mar 14, 1:22 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Fri Mar 14, 1:42 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Chris Friesen, (Wed Mar 12, 2:11 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Wed Mar 12, 6:56 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, David Newall, (Thu Mar 13, 1:45 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 2:17 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 3:12 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 5:49 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 4:06 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 5:16 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Pavel Machek, (Sat Mar 15, 4:18 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sat Mar 15, 4:51 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 3:32 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, David Newall, (Thu Mar 13, 3:50 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 4:03 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Pavel Machek, (Sat Mar 15, 4:26 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sat Mar 15, 5:05 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Mike Snitzer, (Sat Mar 15, 4:40 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, David Newall, (Thu Mar 13, 2:30 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 2:50 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Pavel Machek, (Sat Mar 15, 9:32 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sat Mar 15, 4:22 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Pavel Machek, (Sat Mar 15, 5:33 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sat Mar 15, 5:47 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, David Newall, (Thu Mar 13, 3:05 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 3:13 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Artur Skawina, (Tue Mar 11, 9:32 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Artur Skawina, (Tue Mar 11, 10:31 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Rik van Riel, (Mon Mar 10, 3:01 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Tue Mar 11, 12:28 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Grzegorz Kulewski, (Mon Mar 10, 3:51 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Mon Mar 10, 4:23 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Lars Marowsky-Bree, (Mon Mar 10, 5:03 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Tue Mar 11, 7:14 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Lars Marowsky-Bree, (Tue Mar 11, 7:23 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Tue Mar 11, 7:50 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Lars Marowsky-Bree, (Tue Mar 11, 5:56 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Ric Wheeler, (Thu Mar 13, 9:27 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 3:02 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Ric Wheeler, (Thu Mar 13, 3:12 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 3:38 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Tue Mar 11, 7:30 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Tue Mar 11, 7:02 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Matthias Schniedermeyer, (Thu Mar 13, 5:15 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Chris Friesen, (Tue Mar 11, 1:26 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Tue Mar 11, 3:56 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Willy Tarreau, (Tue Mar 11, 4:53 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Wed Mar 12, 4:17 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Rik van Riel, (Thu Mar 13, 4:34 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 10:20 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Mike Snitzer, (Wed Mar 12, 10:41 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Tue Mar 11, 12:23 am)
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