Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet

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To: Alan Cox <alan@...>
Cc: Willy Tarreau <w@...>, David Newall <davidn@...>, <linux-kernel@...>
Date: Saturday, March 15, 2008 - 6:00 pm

On Saturday 15 March 2008 14:03, Alan Cox wrote:

It makes a difference of degree, not of kind.


Ramback should obviously respect barriers, and it does, though at
present only in the crude, default way of letting the block layer
handle it.

But interpreting a barrier to mean flush through to rotating media...
performance will drop to the millisecond per transaction zone, like a
normal disk.  Not what ramback users want in normal operating mode.
Flush mode, yes.

Even raid controllers... so you agree that some of them just don't
respond conservatively to tagged commands, either because the engineers
don't know how to implement that (unlikely) or because they want to win
the performance benchmarks, and they do trust their battery?

"Some raid controllers" is just as good for my argument as "all raid
controllers".  Nobody is telling you which raid controller to use in
your own personal system.  I will pick the fast one and you can pick
the slow one that does not trust its own battery circuits.


Ramback already is taken seriously, just not by you.  That is fine, you
apparently do not need or want the speed.

Anyway, please do not get the impression that I am ignoring your ideas.
There are some nice, intermediate modes that ramback could and in my
opinion, should implement, to give users more options on how to trade
off performance against resilience.  I just need to make it clear that
ramback, as conceived, already gives system builders the capability
they need to achieve microsecond level transaction throughput and data
safety at the same time... given a reliable battery, which is where we
started.

Daniel
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[ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Mon Mar 10, 2:46 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Wed Mar 12, 1:27 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Tue Mar 11, 1:22 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Chris Snook, (Mon Mar 10, 2:49 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Artur Skawina, (Mon Mar 10, 10:51 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Mon Mar 10, 11:50 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Wed Mar 12, 1:29 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, David Newall, (Thu Mar 13, 1:39 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 2:14 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 3:14 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Willy Tarreau, (Sat Mar 15, 4:59 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sat Mar 15, 5:25 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sat Mar 15, 5:51 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sat Mar 15, 5:17 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, David Newall, (Sun Mar 16, 1:42 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Krzysztof Halasa, (Sun Mar 16, 6:15 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sun Mar 16, 6:38 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Krzysztof Halasa, (Sun Mar 16, 7:08 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sun Mar 16, 7:43 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sun Mar 16, 4:48 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Bernd Eckenfels, (Sat Mar 15, 7:18 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Willy Tarreau, (Sat Mar 15, 5:54 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sat Mar 15, 6:33 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Willy Tarreau, (Sat Mar 15, 7:22 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sat Mar 15, 11:33 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Krzysztof Halasa, (Sun Mar 16, 6:02 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Theodore Tso, (Sun Mar 16, 3:04 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Willy Tarreau, (Sun Mar 16, 2:56 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Krzysztof Halasa, (Sun Mar 16, 6:12 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, David Newall, (Sun Mar 16, 1:24 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Krzysztof Halasa, (Sat Mar 15, 7:57 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sat Mar 15, 6:00 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sun Mar 16, 5:57 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, David Newall, (Sun Mar 16, 9:31 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sun Mar 16, 10:42 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Mon Mar 17, 1:52 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, David Newall, (Mon Mar 17, 3:14 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Mon Mar 17, 4:25 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Pavel Machek, (Sun Mar 23, 5:33 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sun Mar 23, 4:44 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, David Newall, (Mon Mar 17, 2:56 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Mon Mar 17, 4:16 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Willy Tarreau, (Mon Mar 17, 1:30 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Ric Wheeler, (Mon Mar 17, 9:52 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sun Mar 16, 6:36 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sun Mar 16, 7:39 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Rik van Riel, (Thu Mar 13, 4:27 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 10:23 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, John Stoffel, (Fri Mar 14, 10:00 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, David Newall, (Fri Mar 14, 1:22 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Fri Mar 14, 1:42 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Chris Friesen, (Wed Mar 12, 2:11 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Wed Mar 12, 6:56 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, David Newall, (Thu Mar 13, 1:45 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 2:17 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 3:12 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 5:49 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 4:06 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 5:16 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Pavel Machek, (Sat Mar 15, 4:18 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sat Mar 15, 4:51 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 3:32 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, David Newall, (Thu Mar 13, 3:50 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 4:03 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Pavel Machek, (Sat Mar 15, 4:26 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sat Mar 15, 5:05 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Mike Snitzer, (Sat Mar 15, 4:40 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, David Newall, (Thu Mar 13, 2:30 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 2:50 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Pavel Machek, (Sat Mar 15, 9:32 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sat Mar 15, 4:22 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Pavel Machek, (Sat Mar 15, 5:33 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Sat Mar 15, 5:47 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, David Newall, (Thu Mar 13, 3:05 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 3:13 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Artur Skawina, (Tue Mar 11, 9:32 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Artur Skawina, (Tue Mar 11, 10:31 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Rik van Riel, (Mon Mar 10, 3:01 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Tue Mar 11, 12:28 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Grzegorz Kulewski, (Mon Mar 10, 3:51 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Mon Mar 10, 4:23 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Lars Marowsky-Bree, (Mon Mar 10, 5:03 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Tue Mar 11, 7:14 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Lars Marowsky-Bree, (Tue Mar 11, 7:23 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Tue Mar 11, 7:50 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Lars Marowsky-Bree, (Tue Mar 11, 5:56 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Ric Wheeler, (Thu Mar 13, 9:27 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 3:02 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Ric Wheeler, (Thu Mar 13, 3:12 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 3:38 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Tue Mar 11, 7:30 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Tue Mar 11, 7:02 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Matthias Schniedermeyer, (Thu Mar 13, 5:15 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Chris Friesen, (Tue Mar 11, 1:26 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Tue Mar 11, 3:56 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Willy Tarreau, (Tue Mar 11, 4:53 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Wed Mar 12, 4:17 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Rik van Riel, (Thu Mar 13, 4:34 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Mar 13, 10:20 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Mike Snitzer, (Wed Mar 12, 10:41 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ramback: faster than a speeding bullet, Daniel Phillips, (Tue Mar 11, 12:23 am)