remote DMA via FireWire (was Re: [git pull] x86 arch updates for v2.6.25)

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To: Bernhard Kaindl <bk@...>
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Date: Friday, February 8, 2008 - 3:38 pm

Bernhard Kaindl wrote:
...

To be precise, firewire-sbp2 tells firewire-ohci to open up the physical
response unit (which implements the remote DMA feature) for the target
node from when it tries the SBP-2 login until when it completes the
SBP-2 logout or the target is plugged out.  Let's call it filtered
physical DMA.

A mode which doesn't require the physical response unit could be
implemented in firewire-sbp2, but this would come with a considerable
overhead regarding code, runtime CPU usage due to huge interrupt
handling load, and additional runtime memory footprint.

The older sbp2 driver relies on unfiltered physical DMA, hence is less
secure.  There can be a mode selected at compile time to run without
physical DMA, but that's buggy and implemented in a way which is not
portable.

The only reason why we don't have an SBP-2 initiator which works without
remote DMA is that nobody is bothered enough to either debug that mode
in the old driver or implement it in the new driver.  Besides, we could
rather trivially add filtered physical DMA to the old
sbp2/ieee1394/ohci1394 stack but nobody took the time to do this yet either.

...

x86 BIOSes don't initialize OHCI-1394 controllers up to the point that
its physical response unit were working remote nodes were granted access
to it.

Apple's OpenFirmware implements SBP-2 initiator but I don't know if it
uses the physical response unit.  But this point is moot --- you can
boot from SBP-2 targets.
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[git pull] x86 arch updates for v2.6.25, Ingo Molnar, (Tue Jan 29, 9:15 pm)
Re: [git pull] x86 arch updates for v2.6.25, Amit Shah, (Sat Feb 9, 10:11 am)
Re: [git pull] x86 arch updates for v2.6.25, Jiri Kosina, (Sun Feb 10, 8:30 am)
Re: [git pull] x86 arch updates for v2.6.25, Amit Shah, (Tue Feb 12, 3:16 am)
Re: [git pull] x86 arch updates for v2.6.25, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Feb 13, 4:56 am)
Re: [git pull] x86 arch updates for v2.6.25, Amit Shah, (Wed Feb 13, 6:19 am)
Re: [git pull] x86 arch updates for v2.6.25, Maxim Levitsky, (Mon Feb 4, 10:36 pm)
Re: [git pull] x86 arch updates for v2.6.25, Linus Torvalds, (Mon Feb 4, 11:27 pm)
Re: [git pull] x86 arch updates for v2.6.25, Andi Kleen, (Fri Feb 8, 1:00 pm)
Re: [git pull] x86 arch updates for v2.6.25, Jan Kiszka, (Fri Feb 8, 1:48 pm)
Re: [git pull] x86 arch updates for v2.6.25, Andi Kleen, (Fri Feb 8, 2:57 pm)
Re: [RFC][PATCH] KGDB: remove kgdb-own fault handling, Jason Wessel, (Fri Feb 8, 6:16 pm)
Re: [git pull] x86 arch updates for v2.6.25, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Feb 7, 3:20 pm)
Re: [git pull] x86 arch updates for v2.6.25, John Stoffel, (Tue Feb 5, 1:45 pm)
Re: [git pull] x86 arch updates for v2.6.25, H. Peter Anvin, (Tue Feb 5, 1:52 pm)
Re: [git pull] x86 arch updates for v2.6.25, Bernhard Kaindl, (Fri Feb 8, 2:24 pm)
remote DMA via FireWire (was Re: [git pull] x86 arch updates..., Stefan Richter, (Fri Feb 8, 3:38 pm)
Re: [git pull] x86 arch updates for v2.6.25, Phil Oester, (Tue Feb 5, 12:11 am)
Re: [git pull] x86 arch updates for v2.6.25, Christoph Hellwig, (Fri Feb 8, 12:48 am)
Re: [git pull] x86 arch updates for v2.6.25, Jan Kiszka, (Fri Feb 8, 5:51 am)
Re: [git pull] x86 arch updates for v2.6.25, Andrew Morton, (Tue Feb 5, 12:54 am)
Re: [git pull] x86 arch updates for v2.6.25, Jan Kiszka, (Wed Feb 6, 8:08 am)
Re: [git pull] x86 arch updates for v2.6.25, Daniel Phillips, (Thu Feb 7, 4:00 pm)
Re: [git pull] x86 arch updates for v2.6.25, Adrian Bunk, (Thu Jan 31, 11:57 am)
Re: [git pull] x86 arch updates for v2.6.25, Ingo Molnar, (Thu Jan 31, 12:00 pm)
Re: [git pull] x86 arch updates for v2.6.25, Adrian Bunk, (Thu Jan 31, 12:12 pm)
Re: [git pull] x86 arch updates for v2.6.25, Ingo Molnar, (Thu Jan 31, 12:15 pm)
Re: [git pull] x86 arch updates for v2.6.25, WANG Cong, (Thu Jan 31, 12:21 pm)
sparc compile error caused by x86 arch updates, Adrian Bunk, (Thu Jan 31, 12:29 pm)
Re: sparc compile error caused by x86 arch updates, Jeremy Fitzhardinge, (Thu Jan 31, 12:50 pm)
Re: sparc compile error caused by x86 arch updates, Ingo Molnar, (Thu Jan 31, 1:43 pm)
Re: sparc compile error caused by x86 arch updates, Adrian Bunk, (Thu Jan 31, 2:21 pm)
Re: sparc compile error caused by x86 arch updates, Ingo Molnar, (Thu Jan 31, 2:38 pm)
Re: sparc compile error caused by x86 arch updates, Jeremy Fitzhardinge, (Thu Jan 31, 1:55 pm)
Re: [git pull] x86 arch updates for v2.6.25, Adrian Bunk, (Thu Jan 31, 12:24 pm)
Re: [git pull] x86 arch updates for v2.6.25, Ingo Molnar, (Thu Jan 31, 12:46 pm)
Re: [git pull] x86 arch updates for v2.6.25, Jeremy Fitzhardinge, (Thu Jan 31, 12:52 pm)
Re: [git pull] x86 arch updates for v2.6.25, Ingo Molnar, (Thu Jan 31, 12:04 pm)
x86 arch updates also broke s390, Adrian Bunk, (Wed Jan 30, 8:33 pm)
Re: x86 arch updates also broke s390, Martin Schwidefsky, (Thu Jan 31, 5:34 am)
Re: x86 arch updates also broke s390, Ingo Molnar, (Fri Feb 1, 5:48 am)
Re: x86 arch updates also broke s390, Martin Schwidefsky, (Fri Feb 1, 5:54 am)
Re: x86 arch updates also broke s390, Ingo Molnar, (Fri Feb 1, 6:02 am)
Re: x86 arch updates also broke s390, Ingo Molnar, (Fri Feb 1, 5:52 am)
Re: x86 arch updates also broke s390, Ingo Molnar, (Thu Jan 31, 6:24 am)
Re: x86 arch updates also broke s390, Nick Piggin, (Thu Jan 31, 8:37 am)