Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only

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From: Daniel Hazelton
Date: Friday, February 8, 2008 - 12:36 pm

On Friday 08 February 2008 14:08:21 David Newall wrote:

The one technically inclined lawyer that I asked about this said that the 
Lexmark decision meant that code using an API did not mean the work was a 
derivative of the API. However, in the case of the Linux Kernel, the code is 
meant to function inside a much larger framework and the API available to 
modules includes large amounts of "boilerplate code" buried behind handy 
chunks of code like "list_for_each".

The problem, he said, was that, in the US, such code is included in the module 
in a mechanical and wholly automated process. Which means that the module 
doesn't automatically inherit the GPL license. But, he cautioned me, this 
does not mean that a court couldn't (and/or wouldn't) rule that a module 
written specifically for Linux is a derivative of the kernel.

He also cautioned that, although the Bern Convention broadly controlled 
international copyright laws, specific countries do seem to have laws that 
cover the "kernel module" situation much better than the US laws and that 
those laws do apparently  make a module a derivative of the kernel.

His overall statement on it was that, in his opinion, whether a given module 
is a derivative or not would depend on the amount of "original" work 
contained in it compared to the number of places where linux specific code is 
used. He also stated that, while disagreeing with the idea that parts of an 
API could be "so deeply embedded that using them creates a derivative work", 
it would be a good idea to always pay attention to the beliefs of the 
developers of the code, because it is their opinion that will start the legal 
problems.

In other words "EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL" isn't his idea of "a good legal idea", but 
people ignoring this and doing things that circumvent this will, eventually, 
have problems with the people who hold the copyright on the code. (In 
addition, he stated that circumventing the "EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL" bit might also 
be in violation of the DMCA, but he isn't sure if a court would see it in the 
same light as someone cracking the CSS key on a DVD expressly for the purpose 
of creating pirated copies)

DRH

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[PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Greg KH, (Fri Jan 25, 11:02 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Clemens Ladisch, (Mon Jan 28, 1:13 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Clemens Ladisch, (Mon Jan 28, 2:58 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Boaz Harrosh, (Mon Jan 28, 3:44 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Boaz Harrosh, (Mon Jan 28, 9:44 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Sat Feb 2, 4:37 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Sun Feb 3, 4:48 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Pekka Enberg, (Sun Feb 3, 7:35 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Sun Feb 3, 8:07 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Sun Feb 3, 8:12 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Pekka Enberg, (Sun Feb 3, 8:43 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Sun Feb 3, 9:06 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Pekka Enberg, (Sun Feb 3, 9:48 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Sun Feb 3, 10:04 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Sun Feb 3, 10:13 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Diego Zuccato, (Mon Feb 4, 3:21 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Mon Feb 4, 12:18 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Mon Feb 4, 2:38 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Diego Zuccato, (Tue Feb 5, 12:49 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Bernd Petrovitsch, (Tue Feb 5, 2:55 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Tue Feb 5, 4:18 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Tue Feb 5, 4:33 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Tue Feb 5, 4:39 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Pekka Enberg, (Tue Feb 5, 4:46 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Bernd Petrovitsch, (Tue Feb 5, 5:32 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Tue Feb 5, 12:43 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Tue Feb 5, 1:03 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Chris Friesen, (Tue Feb 5, 1:35 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Tue Feb 5, 2:12 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Tue Feb 5, 4:14 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Tue Feb 5, 4:25 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Chris Friesen, (Tue Feb 5, 4:34 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Wed Feb 6, 1:14 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Wed Feb 6, 1:34 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Hans-Jürgen, (Wed Feb 6, 1:54 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Wed Feb 6, 1:55 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Wed Feb 6, 2:03 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Adrian Bunk, (Wed Feb 6, 2:04 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Wed Feb 6, 2:12 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Wed Feb 6, 2:29 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Valdis.Kletnieks, (Wed Feb 6, 2:48 pm)
RE: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Schwartz, (Wed Feb 6, 6:36 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Pekka Enberg, (Wed Feb 6, 11:22 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Diego Zuccato, (Thu Feb 7, 1:07 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Diego Zuccato, (Thu Feb 7, 1:31 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 5:41 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 5:50 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 5:52 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:00 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:06 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:15 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:16 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:19 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:21 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:26 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:31 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:35 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:37 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:39 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:41 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:45 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:47 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Pekka Enberg, (Thu Feb 7, 6:47 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Hans-Jürgen, (Thu Feb 7, 7:06 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Diego Zuccato, (Thu Feb 7, 7:25 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 7:31 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 7:32 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 7:48 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 7:55 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 8:02 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Adrian Bunk, (Thu Feb 7, 8:05 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 8:13 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 8:16 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 8:39 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 9:03 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Hans-Jürgen, (Thu Feb 7, 9:13 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 9:19 am)
RE: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Dave Higton, (Thu Feb 7, 9:22 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 9:31 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 9:50 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Hans-Jürgen, (Thu Feb 7, 10:49 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Thu Feb 7, 12:05 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Thu Feb 7, 12:27 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Lee Mathers, (Thu Feb 7, 12:34 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Thu Feb 7, 12:35 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Hannu Savolainen, (Thu Feb 7, 3:51 pm)
RE: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Schwartz, (Thu Feb 7, 5:18 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 7:50 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 7:55 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 8:57 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Diego Zuccato, (Fri Feb 8, 1:48 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Diego Zuccato, (Fri Feb 8, 1:55 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Fri Feb 8, 2:15 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Fri Feb 8, 9:34 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Fri Feb 8, 11:40 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Fri Feb 8, 12:08 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Fri Feb 8, 12:23 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Daniel Hazelton, (Fri Feb 8, 12:36 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Fri Feb 8, 12:42 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Valdis.Kletnieks, (Fri Feb 8, 1:21 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Daniel Hazelton, (Fri Feb 8, 4:27 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Fri Feb 8, 4:30 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Fri Feb 8, 4:41 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Sat Feb 9, 6:40 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Sat Feb 9, 8:13 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Pekka Enberg, (Sat Feb 9, 8:41 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Sat Feb 9, 9:50 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Pekka Enberg, (Sat Feb 9, 10:29 am)
RE: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Schwartz, (Sat Feb 9, 7:01 pm)
RE: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Sat Feb 9, 9:50 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Daniel Hazelton, (Sat Feb 9, 10:07 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Sat Feb 9, 10:43 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Daniel Hazelton, (Sat Feb 9, 11:18 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Daniel Hazelton, (Sun Feb 10, 6:30 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Olof Johansson, (Sun Feb 10, 6:45 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Bauke Jan Douma, (Sun Feb 10, 8:19 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Valdis.Kletnieks, (Tue Feb 12, 11:02 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Alan Cox, (Tue Feb 12, 11:04 am)