Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only

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From: David Newall
Date: Thursday, February 7, 2008 - 9:03 am

Alan Cox wrote:

It would not be improper to say that "such and such a lawyer said this
and that."  I'm not proposing that you breach their copyright in their
opinions, but there is such a thing as fair use, and I expect you to use
it or stop bringing it up.  Anything less than that starts to sound odd.


Various reasons.  I don't know that you're a liar and I'm too much the
gentleman to accuse you of that without being quite sure of my facts. 
As it happens I assume you're not lying, but I do suspect you of having
misrepresented what was said to you.  I don't say you've done this out
of malice; it's possible you've read things into opinions given to you
that weren't meant; or even inaccurately remembered what was said. 
Mostly, I think what I've already said: In other words, I think you've
put a spin on the opinions in pursuit of your own agenda.  You've
already watered down your claims, being that you now say, "bad idea".


Okay, that I understand.  That is simple.  But it's irrelevant to the
topic under discussion, which is to seek to restrict access to modules
based on their specific licence conditions.  The GPL makes no such
restriction, and it is improper and legally meaningless, from a licence
point of view, to claim that EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL forms a condition of
licence.  It doesn't.  (There may be DMCA considerations, but I hope
that everyone from Stallman to Torvalds would hasten to disclaim them.)



Please don't refer to me in this way.  Say, rather, "if someone wants to
do binary products."  Putting that aside, Linux is such a product. 
There is nothing in the GPL that suggests it may not be used with
proprietary products, and much to say that it may.



Presumably you mean "product," and not "model of software development,"
since later in no way relates to the topic.  The market will ultimately
decide which product is right.  It would be a great shame if Linux
dwindled.  There's no shortage of fully open source operating systems,
but the one enjoying success which requires source to be distributed
with (hardware) product is Linux.  I don't want that to change.  I make
purchasing decisions for clients based on availability of source.  BSD
isn't useful.  Annex used BSD (there was no GPL) and their product was
poorer for it.  I don't particularly like binary drivers, but I like
binary-only operating systems even less.

There's no need to play brinksmanship with manufacturers.  Please don't
take Linux away from my router, and my modem, and my access point, and
my telephone, and my printer.
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[PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Greg KH, (Fri Jan 25, 11:02 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Clemens Ladisch, (Mon Jan 28, 1:13 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Clemens Ladisch, (Mon Jan 28, 2:58 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Boaz Harrosh, (Mon Jan 28, 3:44 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Boaz Harrosh, (Mon Jan 28, 9:44 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Sat Feb 2, 4:37 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Sun Feb 3, 4:48 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Pekka Enberg, (Sun Feb 3, 7:35 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Sun Feb 3, 8:07 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Sun Feb 3, 8:12 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Pekka Enberg, (Sun Feb 3, 8:43 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Sun Feb 3, 9:06 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Pekka Enberg, (Sun Feb 3, 9:48 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Sun Feb 3, 10:04 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Sun Feb 3, 10:13 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Diego Zuccato, (Mon Feb 4, 3:21 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Mon Feb 4, 12:18 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Mon Feb 4, 2:38 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Diego Zuccato, (Tue Feb 5, 12:49 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Bernd Petrovitsch, (Tue Feb 5, 2:55 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Tue Feb 5, 4:18 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Tue Feb 5, 4:33 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Tue Feb 5, 4:39 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Pekka Enberg, (Tue Feb 5, 4:46 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Bernd Petrovitsch, (Tue Feb 5, 5:32 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Tue Feb 5, 12:43 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Tue Feb 5, 1:03 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Chris Friesen, (Tue Feb 5, 1:35 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Tue Feb 5, 2:12 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Tue Feb 5, 4:14 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Tue Feb 5, 4:25 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Chris Friesen, (Tue Feb 5, 4:34 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Wed Feb 6, 1:14 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Wed Feb 6, 1:34 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Hans-Jürgen, (Wed Feb 6, 1:54 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Wed Feb 6, 1:55 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Wed Feb 6, 2:03 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Adrian Bunk, (Wed Feb 6, 2:04 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Wed Feb 6, 2:12 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Wed Feb 6, 2:29 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Valdis.Kletnieks, (Wed Feb 6, 2:48 pm)
RE: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Schwartz, (Wed Feb 6, 6:36 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Pekka Enberg, (Wed Feb 6, 11:22 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Diego Zuccato, (Thu Feb 7, 1:07 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Diego Zuccato, (Thu Feb 7, 1:31 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 5:41 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 5:50 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 5:52 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:00 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:06 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:15 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:16 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:19 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:21 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:26 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:31 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:35 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:37 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:39 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:41 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:45 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:47 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Pekka Enberg, (Thu Feb 7, 6:47 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Hans-Jürgen, (Thu Feb 7, 7:06 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Diego Zuccato, (Thu Feb 7, 7:25 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 7:31 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 7:32 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 7:48 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 7:55 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 8:02 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Adrian Bunk, (Thu Feb 7, 8:05 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 8:13 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 8:16 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 8:39 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 9:03 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Hans-Jürgen, (Thu Feb 7, 9:13 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 9:19 am)
RE: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Dave Higton, (Thu Feb 7, 9:22 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 9:31 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 9:50 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Hans-Jürgen, (Thu Feb 7, 10:49 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Thu Feb 7, 12:05 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Thu Feb 7, 12:27 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Lee Mathers, (Thu Feb 7, 12:34 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Thu Feb 7, 12:35 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Hannu Savolainen, (Thu Feb 7, 3:51 pm)
RE: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Schwartz, (Thu Feb 7, 5:18 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 7:50 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 7:55 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 8:57 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Diego Zuccato, (Fri Feb 8, 1:48 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Diego Zuccato, (Fri Feb 8, 1:55 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Fri Feb 8, 2:15 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Fri Feb 8, 9:34 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Fri Feb 8, 11:40 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Fri Feb 8, 12:08 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Fri Feb 8, 12:23 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Daniel Hazelton, (Fri Feb 8, 12:36 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Fri Feb 8, 12:42 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Valdis.Kletnieks, (Fri Feb 8, 1:21 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Daniel Hazelton, (Fri Feb 8, 4:27 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Fri Feb 8, 4:30 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Fri Feb 8, 4:41 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Sat Feb 9, 6:40 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Sat Feb 9, 8:13 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Pekka Enberg, (Sat Feb 9, 8:41 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Sat Feb 9, 9:50 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Pekka Enberg, (Sat Feb 9, 10:29 am)
RE: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Schwartz, (Sat Feb 9, 7:01 pm)
RE: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Sat Feb 9, 9:50 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Daniel Hazelton, (Sat Feb 9, 10:07 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Sat Feb 9, 10:43 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Daniel Hazelton, (Sat Feb 9, 11:18 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Daniel Hazelton, (Sun Feb 10, 6:30 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Olof Johansson, (Sun Feb 10, 6:45 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Bauke Jan Douma, (Sun Feb 10, 8:19 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Valdis.Kletnieks, (Tue Feb 12, 11:02 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Alan Cox, (Tue Feb 12, 11:04 am)