Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only

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From: Diego Zuccato
Date: Monday, February 4, 2008 - 3:21 am

David Newall ha scritto:

Why "of course" ?
In the cited example it's illegal to go outside certain parameters 
SOMEWHERE (if it was illegal everywhere, the the hardware shouldn't 
allow it and the sw could do nothing... not considering hw mods).
Another example is WiFi: USA, Europe and Japan allows a different number 
of channels. But every AP I have had simply asks which country the user 
is in, then allows only a limited choice for the channel to use.
If I'm in Europe but tell my AP that I'm in Japan, it lets me choose 
channel 13 (Europe allows up to ch 11). If the "cops" find it out, they 
prosecute ME, not my AP! It's not a TECHNICAL limit, it's a LEGAL one.
So there's no point in keeping a driver closed *just* because else 
someone could hack it to make it work outside the allowed parameters: 
even a closed driver is hackable (just reverse engineer it...).

Think about this scenario: a closed source driver contains:
if(power<100)
	setpower(power);
else
	setpower(100);
to limit tx power and make it legal. Then the user finds this 100 and 
replaces it with 255 (inside the binary-only module), actually allowing 
for more than twice (if power is in mW) the legally permitted power.
Is it legal?
I don't think so (and I doubt you can find any lawyer that does). But 
it's not THE DRIVER that's doing something illegal. It's THE USER.
It would be equally illegal if the driver was open source. Simpler to 
do, but equally illegal.
Another example: how do you detect, from a driver, if the user actually 
got a license/permission from the government (somewhere it's needed, or 
you need to pay an annual fee) to use the device? You can't. Does this 
missing check make the device illegal? Nope. Just its USE.

I stop here cause it's already too OT.

BYtE,
  Diego.

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[PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Greg KH, (Fri Jan 25, 11:02 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Clemens Ladisch, (Mon Jan 28, 1:13 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Clemens Ladisch, (Mon Jan 28, 2:58 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Boaz Harrosh, (Mon Jan 28, 3:44 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Boaz Harrosh, (Mon Jan 28, 9:44 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Sat Feb 2, 4:37 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Sun Feb 3, 4:48 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Pekka Enberg, (Sun Feb 3, 7:35 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Sun Feb 3, 8:07 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Sun Feb 3, 8:12 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Pekka Enberg, (Sun Feb 3, 8:43 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Sun Feb 3, 9:06 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Pekka Enberg, (Sun Feb 3, 9:48 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Sun Feb 3, 10:04 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Sun Feb 3, 10:13 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Diego Zuccato, (Mon Feb 4, 3:21 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Mon Feb 4, 12:18 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Mon Feb 4, 2:38 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Diego Zuccato, (Tue Feb 5, 12:49 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Bernd Petrovitsch, (Tue Feb 5, 2:55 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Tue Feb 5, 4:18 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Tue Feb 5, 4:33 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Tue Feb 5, 4:39 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Pekka Enberg, (Tue Feb 5, 4:46 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Bernd Petrovitsch, (Tue Feb 5, 5:32 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Tue Feb 5, 12:43 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Tue Feb 5, 1:03 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Chris Friesen, (Tue Feb 5, 1:35 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Tue Feb 5, 2:12 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Tue Feb 5, 4:14 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Tue Feb 5, 4:25 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Chris Friesen, (Tue Feb 5, 4:34 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Wed Feb 6, 1:14 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Wed Feb 6, 1:34 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Hans-Jürgen, (Wed Feb 6, 1:54 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Wed Feb 6, 1:55 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Wed Feb 6, 2:03 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Adrian Bunk, (Wed Feb 6, 2:04 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Wed Feb 6, 2:12 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Wed Feb 6, 2:29 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Valdis.Kletnieks, (Wed Feb 6, 2:48 pm)
RE: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Schwartz, (Wed Feb 6, 6:36 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Pekka Enberg, (Wed Feb 6, 11:22 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Diego Zuccato, (Thu Feb 7, 1:07 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Diego Zuccato, (Thu Feb 7, 1:31 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 5:41 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 5:50 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 5:52 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:00 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:06 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:15 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:16 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:19 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:21 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:26 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:31 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:35 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:37 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:39 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:41 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:45 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:47 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Pekka Enberg, (Thu Feb 7, 6:47 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Hans-Jürgen, (Thu Feb 7, 7:06 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Diego Zuccato, (Thu Feb 7, 7:25 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 7:31 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 7:32 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 7:48 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 7:55 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 8:02 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Adrian Bunk, (Thu Feb 7, 8:05 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 8:13 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 8:16 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 8:39 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 9:03 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Hans-Jürgen, (Thu Feb 7, 9:13 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 9:19 am)
RE: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Dave Higton, (Thu Feb 7, 9:22 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 9:31 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 9:50 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Hans-Jürgen, (Thu Feb 7, 10:49 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Thu Feb 7, 12:05 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Thu Feb 7, 12:27 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Lee Mathers, (Thu Feb 7, 12:34 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Thu Feb 7, 12:35 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Hannu Savolainen, (Thu Feb 7, 3:51 pm)
RE: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Schwartz, (Thu Feb 7, 5:18 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 7:50 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 7:55 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 8:57 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Diego Zuccato, (Fri Feb 8, 1:48 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Diego Zuccato, (Fri Feb 8, 1:55 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Fri Feb 8, 2:15 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Fri Feb 8, 9:34 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Fri Feb 8, 11:40 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Fri Feb 8, 12:08 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Fri Feb 8, 12:23 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Daniel Hazelton, (Fri Feb 8, 12:36 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Fri Feb 8, 12:42 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Valdis.Kletnieks, (Fri Feb 8, 1:21 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Daniel Hazelton, (Fri Feb 8, 4:27 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Fri Feb 8, 4:30 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Fri Feb 8, 4:41 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Sat Feb 9, 6:40 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Sat Feb 9, 8:13 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Pekka Enberg, (Sat Feb 9, 8:41 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Sat Feb 9, 9:50 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Pekka Enberg, (Sat Feb 9, 10:29 am)
RE: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Schwartz, (Sat Feb 9, 7:01 pm)
RE: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Sat Feb 9, 9:50 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Daniel Hazelton, (Sat Feb 9, 10:07 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Sat Feb 9, 10:43 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Daniel Hazelton, (Sat Feb 9, 11:18 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Daniel Hazelton, (Sun Feb 10, 6:30 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Olof Johansson, (Sun Feb 10, 6:45 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Bauke Jan Douma, (Sun Feb 10, 8:19 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Valdis.Kletnieks, (Tue Feb 12, 11:02 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Alan Cox, (Tue Feb 12, 11:04 am)