Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers

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To: Krzysztof Halasa <khc@...>
Cc: Al Viro <viro@...>, David Newall <davidn@...>, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...>, Adrian Bunk <bunk@...>, Roland Dreier <rdreier@...>, Glenn Streiff <gstreiff@...>, Faisal Latif <flatif@...>, <linux-kernel@...>, <general@...>, Andrew Morton <akpm@...>, Greg Kroah-Hartman <greg@...>
Date: Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 3:47 am

On Fri, 22 February 2008 23:28:58 +0100, Krzysztof Halasa wrote:

I strongly disagree.  Machine-generated warnings are a great way of
quickly locating a large amount of questionable code in an otherwise
overwhelming haystack.  It doesn't even matter much, which warnings you
look for.  Almost all code checkers find the same hotspots.

But there is a catch.  If you have an over-eager warning police that
"fixes all the warnings", the warnings may be gone, but the very real
problems in near vicinity are not.  Not to mention new problems
introduced by those claimed "fixes".

One fun hobby in my last job was to write a new code checker and locate
those problem areas hidden behind warning-free code.  I had to write a
new checker so I would see below the polish of "fixes".  The actual
problems found by the checker were often trivial and near-meaningless.
But those warnings are not the point at all, quite the contrary.  The
only important thing was "that code might have other problems nearby".

Note one scary consequence: code checkers in the wrong hands are
actively harmful.

Jörn

-- 
One of my most productive days was throwing away 1000 lines of code.
-- Ken Thompson.
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Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, Adrian Bunk, (Thu Feb 21, 5:01 pm)
Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, Arjan van de Ven, (Thu Feb 21, 6:08 pm)
Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, Pavel Machek, (Fri Feb 22, 2:40 pm)
Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, Jeff Garzik, (Thu Feb 21, 6:33 pm)
Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, Adrian Bunk, (Thu Feb 21, 7:40 pm)
Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, Greg KH, (Thu Feb 21, 5:30 pm)
Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, Adrian Bunk, (Thu Feb 21, 9:06 pm)
Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Feb 21, 5:14 pm)
Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, Ingo Molnar, (Fri Feb 22, 2:54 pm)
Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, Jeff Garzik, (Fri Feb 22, 3:20 pm)
Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, Greg KH, (Fri Feb 22, 3:44 pm)
Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, Krzysztof Halasa, (Thu Feb 21, 7:38 pm)
Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, David Newall, (Thu Feb 21, 9:46 pm)
Re: [ofa-general] Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, John W. Linville, (Fri Feb 22, 11:48 am)
Re: [ofa-general] Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, John W. Linville, (Fri Feb 22, 12:48 pm)
Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, Al Viro, (Thu Feb 21, 10:06 pm)
Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Feb 21, 11:13 pm)
Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, Krzysztof Halasa, (Fri Feb 22, 6:37 pm)
Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, Ray Lee, (Fri Feb 22, 2:37 am)
Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, Jan Engelhardt, (Sat Feb 23, 11:31 am)
Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, David Newall, (Sat Feb 23, 11:22 pm)
Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, Krzysztof Halasa, (Thu Feb 21, 10:23 pm)
Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, Al Viro, (Thu Feb 21, 11:13 pm)
Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, Krzysztof Halasa, (Fri Feb 22, 6:28 pm)
Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, Jörn, (Sun Feb 24, 3:47 am)
Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, Krzysztof Halasa, (Sun Feb 24, 10:47 am)
Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, Alan Cox, (Thu Feb 21, 7:31 pm)
Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, Adrian Bunk, (Thu Feb 21, 8:29 pm)
Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, Jeff Garzik, (Thu Feb 21, 7:41 pm)
Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, Krzysztof Halasa, (Thu Feb 21, 8:05 pm)
Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, Pavel Machek, (Fri Feb 22, 2:45 pm)
Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, Krzysztof Halasa, (Fri Feb 22, 6:44 pm)
Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, Pavel Machek, (Sat Feb 23, 5:43 am)
Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, Krzysztof Halasa, (Sat Feb 23, 9:58 am)
Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, David Newall, (Sat Feb 23, 8:38 am)
Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, Linus Torvalds, (Sat Feb 23, 1:33 pm)
Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, David Newall, (Sat Feb 23, 11:26 pm)
Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, Linus Torvalds, (Sun Feb 24, 12:47 am)
Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, Pavel Machek, (Sat Feb 23, 11:25 am)
Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, David Newall, (Sat Feb 23, 11:18 pm)
Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, Alan Cox, (Fri Feb 22, 6:04 am)
Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, Jeff Garzik, (Thu Feb 21, 8:44 pm)
Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, Krzysztof Halasa, (Thu Feb 21, 10:02 pm)
Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, Alexey Dobriyan, (Thu Feb 21, 6:33 pm)
Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, Greg KH, (Thu Feb 21, 6:43 pm)
Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, Jan Engelhardt, (Thu Feb 21, 7:31 pm)
Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, Alexey Dobriyan, (Thu Feb 21, 6:58 pm)
Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, Jeff Garzik, (Thu Feb 21, 6:57 pm)
Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers, Roland Dreier, (Thu Feb 21, 5:09 pm)