Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only

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From: Christer Weinigel
Date: Saturday, February 2, 2008 - 4:37 am

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:02:32 -0800
Greg KH <greg@kroah.com> wrote:


Yes, I have objections and I've told you before.  


This is a bit disingenuous.   Of course there are closed source USB
drivers out there.  I've written multiple of them during my life as a
consultant.  The nature of closed source drivers is that they quite
often are written for custom hardware that isn't used by that many
people, so you have probably not seen them, but they are definitely out
there in the wild.

For some of these drivers, being in kernel space is very important
since they transfer large amounts of data with very tight latency
requirements.  It may, in theory, be possible to do the same thing in
userspace with multiple cooperative threads and libusb, but it would be
much more complex and much more error prone (it's hard to do control
loops where you need about 40 us turnaround time). 

Yes, I'd much prefer if all companies would just publish their sources
as GPL, but some companies, rightly or nor, believe that they expose too
much information about their custom hardware if they do.  And I do feel
that such a rabid GPL-stance is going to alienate those companies.  Most
of those companies also select one kernel for their custom hardware and
use that kernel for a long time, so for them this feature removal will
come as a bit of a surprise.  

  /Christer
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[PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Greg KH, (Fri Jan 25, 11:02 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Clemens Ladisch, (Mon Jan 28, 1:13 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Clemens Ladisch, (Mon Jan 28, 2:58 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Boaz Harrosh, (Mon Jan 28, 3:44 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Boaz Harrosh, (Mon Jan 28, 9:44 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Sat Feb 2, 4:37 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Sun Feb 3, 4:48 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Pekka Enberg, (Sun Feb 3, 7:35 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Sun Feb 3, 8:07 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Sun Feb 3, 8:12 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Pekka Enberg, (Sun Feb 3, 8:43 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Sun Feb 3, 9:06 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Pekka Enberg, (Sun Feb 3, 9:48 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Sun Feb 3, 10:04 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Sun Feb 3, 10:13 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Diego Zuccato, (Mon Feb 4, 3:21 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Mon Feb 4, 12:18 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Mon Feb 4, 2:38 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Diego Zuccato, (Tue Feb 5, 12:49 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Bernd Petrovitsch, (Tue Feb 5, 2:55 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Tue Feb 5, 4:18 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Tue Feb 5, 4:33 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Tue Feb 5, 4:39 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Pekka Enberg, (Tue Feb 5, 4:46 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Bernd Petrovitsch, (Tue Feb 5, 5:32 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Tue Feb 5, 12:43 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Tue Feb 5, 1:03 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Chris Friesen, (Tue Feb 5, 1:35 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Tue Feb 5, 2:12 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Tue Feb 5, 4:14 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Tue Feb 5, 4:25 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Chris Friesen, (Tue Feb 5, 4:34 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Wed Feb 6, 1:14 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Wed Feb 6, 1:34 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Hans-Jürgen, (Wed Feb 6, 1:54 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Wed Feb 6, 1:55 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Wed Feb 6, 2:03 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Adrian Bunk, (Wed Feb 6, 2:04 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Wed Feb 6, 2:12 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Wed Feb 6, 2:29 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Valdis.Kletnieks, (Wed Feb 6, 2:48 pm)
RE: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Schwartz, (Wed Feb 6, 6:36 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Pekka Enberg, (Wed Feb 6, 11:22 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Diego Zuccato, (Thu Feb 7, 1:07 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Diego Zuccato, (Thu Feb 7, 1:31 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 5:41 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 5:50 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 5:52 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:00 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:06 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:15 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:16 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:19 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:21 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:26 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:31 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:35 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:37 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:39 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:41 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:45 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:47 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Pekka Enberg, (Thu Feb 7, 6:47 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Hans-Jürgen, (Thu Feb 7, 7:06 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Diego Zuccato, (Thu Feb 7, 7:25 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 7:31 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 7:32 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 7:48 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 7:55 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 8:02 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Adrian Bunk, (Thu Feb 7, 8:05 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 8:13 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 8:16 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 8:39 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 9:03 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Hans-Jürgen, (Thu Feb 7, 9:13 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 9:19 am)
RE: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Dave Higton, (Thu Feb 7, 9:22 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 9:31 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 9:50 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Hans-Jürgen, (Thu Feb 7, 10:49 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Thu Feb 7, 12:05 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Thu Feb 7, 12:27 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Lee Mathers, (Thu Feb 7, 12:34 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Thu Feb 7, 12:35 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Hannu Savolainen, (Thu Feb 7, 3:51 pm)
RE: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Schwartz, (Thu Feb 7, 5:18 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 7:50 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 7:55 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 8:57 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Diego Zuccato, (Fri Feb 8, 1:48 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Diego Zuccato, (Fri Feb 8, 1:55 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Fri Feb 8, 2:15 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Fri Feb 8, 9:34 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Fri Feb 8, 11:40 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Fri Feb 8, 12:08 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Fri Feb 8, 12:23 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Daniel Hazelton, (Fri Feb 8, 12:36 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Fri Feb 8, 12:42 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Valdis.Kletnieks, (Fri Feb 8, 1:21 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Daniel Hazelton, (Fri Feb 8, 4:27 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Fri Feb 8, 4:30 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Fri Feb 8, 4:41 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Sat Feb 9, 6:40 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Sat Feb 9, 8:13 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Pekka Enberg, (Sat Feb 9, 8:41 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Sat Feb 9, 9:50 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Pekka Enberg, (Sat Feb 9, 10:29 am)
RE: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Schwartz, (Sat Feb 9, 7:01 pm)
RE: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Sat Feb 9, 9:50 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Daniel Hazelton, (Sat Feb 9, 10:07 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Sat Feb 9, 10:43 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Daniel Hazelton, (Sat Feb 9, 11:18 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Daniel Hazelton, (Sun Feb 10, 6:30 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Olof Johansson, (Sun Feb 10, 6:45 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Bauke Jan Douma, (Sun Feb 10, 8:19 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Valdis.Kletnieks, (Tue Feb 12, 11:02 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Alan Cox, (Tue Feb 12, 11:04 am)