Adrian Bunk wrote:You sure are proud of that new driver! People won't use it because the old one is working fine, so you think it's fine to force them to make changes in their system to use the new driver. Best case is it works after costing the user some time, worst case it doesn't and breaks their system, so they stop upgrading the kernel and don't get security fixes. Is it not obvious that the problem lies with the "when the old driver gets removed" part, there is absolutely no effort needed to keep an old driver, and if it's left in until some change requires rewriting every module in the kernel, it's likely that either the old hardware or the user will die before that ever happens again. There is no benefit to users, if the old driver didn't work they would have switched, there's no saving in support effort because, as you pointed out, there are "hundreds of them" now. This reminds me of Microsoft and XP vs. VISTA. MSFT is stopping sales and support of XP to "force people to upgrade" to VISTA. You want to "force people to upgrade" to newer drivers. The difference is that MSFT at least has money as a reason, as far as I can tell the reason you want to force people to use new drivers is because people put all the effort into writing the new drivers and now most of us want to use the old one if it works. We don't want to change configuration and hope something else new works, because we know the old driver works for us and we want to use our system instead of helping test the new driver. I appreciate the effort it took to write new drivers, I believe most users able to build their own kernels do. I use new drivers on new systems because install picks them and a new system has to go through shakedown in any case. I just wish that *you* could appreciate that a driver change requires user effort and chance to find bugs in a new driver, for each and every system, many of which are at EOL now. I wish you valued the user's time as much as users value developer time. *EOL - end-of-life, if your organization doesn't use the term. the "it's paid for, use it but don't spend money on it" phase of ownership. -- Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com> "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot --
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