RE: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only

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From: David Schwartz
Date: Saturday, February 9, 2008 - 7:01 pm

Marcel Holtmann wrote:


This simply cannot be correct. The only way it could be true is if the work
was a derivative work of a GPL'd work. There is no other way it could become
subject to the GPL.

So this argument reduces to -- any work that uses a library is a derivative
work of that library. But this is clearly wrong. For work X to be a
derivative work of work Y, it must contain substantial protected expression
from work Y, but an application need not have any expression from the
libraries it uses.


If you do not distribute the GPL library, the library is simply being used
in the intended, ordinary way. You do not need to agree to, nor can you
violate, the GPL simply by using a work in its ordinary intended way.

If the application contains insufficient copyrightable expression from the
library to be considered a derivative work (and purely functional things do
not count), then it cannot be a derivative work. The library is not being
copied or distributed. So how can its copyright be infringed?


This argument has no basis in law or common sense. It's completely
off-the-wall.

And to Pekka Enberg:


The legal standard is not whether it "requires" copyrighted aspects but
whether it *contains* them. The driver does not contain the USB stack. The
aspects of the USB stack that the driver must contain are purely
functional -- its API.

You simply can't have it both ways. If the driver must contain X in order to
do its job, then X is functional and cannot make the driver a derivative
work. You cannot protect, by copyright, every way to accomplish a particular
function. Copyright only protects creative choices among millions of (at
least arguably) equally good choices.

DS


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[PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Greg KH, (Fri Jan 25, 11:02 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Clemens Ladisch, (Mon Jan 28, 1:13 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Clemens Ladisch, (Mon Jan 28, 2:58 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Boaz Harrosh, (Mon Jan 28, 3:44 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Boaz Harrosh, (Mon Jan 28, 9:44 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Sat Feb 2, 4:37 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Sun Feb 3, 4:48 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Pekka Enberg, (Sun Feb 3, 7:35 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Sun Feb 3, 8:07 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Sun Feb 3, 8:12 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Pekka Enberg, (Sun Feb 3, 8:43 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Sun Feb 3, 9:06 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Pekka Enberg, (Sun Feb 3, 9:48 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Sun Feb 3, 10:04 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Sun Feb 3, 10:13 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Diego Zuccato, (Mon Feb 4, 3:21 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Mon Feb 4, 12:18 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Mon Feb 4, 2:38 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Diego Zuccato, (Tue Feb 5, 12:49 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Bernd Petrovitsch, (Tue Feb 5, 2:55 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Tue Feb 5, 4:18 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Tue Feb 5, 4:33 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Tue Feb 5, 4:39 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Pekka Enberg, (Tue Feb 5, 4:46 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Bernd Petrovitsch, (Tue Feb 5, 5:32 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Tue Feb 5, 12:43 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Tue Feb 5, 1:03 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Chris Friesen, (Tue Feb 5, 1:35 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Tue Feb 5, 2:12 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Tue Feb 5, 4:14 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Tue Feb 5, 4:25 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Chris Friesen, (Tue Feb 5, 4:34 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Wed Feb 6, 1:14 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Wed Feb 6, 1:34 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Hans-Jürgen, (Wed Feb 6, 1:54 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Wed Feb 6, 1:55 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Wed Feb 6, 2:03 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Adrian Bunk, (Wed Feb 6, 2:04 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Wed Feb 6, 2:12 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Wed Feb 6, 2:29 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Valdis.Kletnieks, (Wed Feb 6, 2:48 pm)
RE: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Schwartz, (Wed Feb 6, 6:36 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Pekka Enberg, (Wed Feb 6, 11:22 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Diego Zuccato, (Thu Feb 7, 1:07 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Diego Zuccato, (Thu Feb 7, 1:31 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 5:41 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 5:50 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 5:52 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:00 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:06 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:15 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:16 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:19 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:21 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:26 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:31 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:35 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:37 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:39 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:41 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:45 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 6:47 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Pekka Enberg, (Thu Feb 7, 6:47 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Hans-Jürgen, (Thu Feb 7, 7:06 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Diego Zuccato, (Thu Feb 7, 7:25 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 7:31 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 7:32 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 7:48 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 7:55 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 8:02 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Adrian Bunk, (Thu Feb 7, 8:05 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 8:13 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 8:16 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 8:39 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 9:03 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Hans-Jürgen, (Thu Feb 7, 9:13 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 9:19 am)
RE: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Dave Higton, (Thu Feb 7, 9:22 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 9:31 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 9:50 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Hans-Jürgen, (Thu Feb 7, 10:49 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Thu Feb 7, 12:05 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Thu Feb 7, 12:27 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Lee Mathers, (Thu Feb 7, 12:34 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Thu Feb 7, 12:35 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Hannu Savolainen, (Thu Feb 7, 3:51 pm)
RE: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Schwartz, (Thu Feb 7, 5:18 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 7:50 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 7:55 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Thu Feb 7, 8:57 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Diego Zuccato, (Fri Feb 8, 1:48 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Diego Zuccato, (Fri Feb 8, 1:55 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Fri Feb 8, 2:15 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Fri Feb 8, 9:34 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Fri Feb 8, 11:40 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Fri Feb 8, 12:08 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Fri Feb 8, 12:23 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Daniel Hazelton, (Fri Feb 8, 12:36 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Newall, (Fri Feb 8, 12:42 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Valdis.Kletnieks, (Fri Feb 8, 1:21 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Daniel Hazelton, (Fri Feb 8, 4:27 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Fri Feb 8, 4:30 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Fri Feb 8, 4:41 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Sat Feb 9, 6:40 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Sat Feb 9, 8:13 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Pekka Enberg, (Sat Feb 9, 8:41 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Christer Weinigel, (Sat Feb 9, 9:50 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Pekka Enberg, (Sat Feb 9, 10:29 am)
RE: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, David Schwartz, (Sat Feb 9, 7:01 pm)
RE: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Sat Feb 9, 9:50 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Daniel Hazelton, (Sat Feb 9, 10:07 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Marcel Holtmann, (Sat Feb 9, 10:43 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Daniel Hazelton, (Sat Feb 9, 11:18 pm)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Daniel Hazelton, (Sun Feb 10, 6:30 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Olof Johansson, (Sun Feb 10, 6:45 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Bauke Jan Douma, (Sun Feb 10, 8:19 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Valdis.Kletnieks, (Tue Feb 12, 11:02 am)
Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only, Alan Cox, (Tue Feb 12, 11:04 am)