On Saturday 04 October 2008 6:09:38 am Kay Sievers wrote:
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> On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 12:01 AM, Bjorn Helgaas <bjorn.helgaas@hp.com> wrote:
> > On Friday 22 August 2008 06:43:05 am Kay Sievers wrote:
> >> On Fri, 2008-08-22 at 06:06 -0600, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
> >> > Since PNP currently doesn't generate any uevents or modalias files,
> >> > I expect that a non-ACPI system will be unable to autoload modules
> >> > for ISAPNP or PNPBIOS devices.  Right?
> >>
> >> They do create events, but without modalias. The shell script hack,
> >> which udev runs, will make the event behave like it contained one.
> >
> > I'm finally looking at this again; sorry for the long hiatus.  I'm
> > working on a patch to add PNP uevent support, modalias sysfs files
> > for PNP, and file2alias.c changes to match, and I just want to
> > make sure I'm understanding this correctly.
>
> Sounds good, just in mind, that there are custom modprobe configs out
> there, that rely on the current pnp alias format, like:
>   alias pnp:dPNP0510 irtty-sir
>   alias pnp:dPNP0511 irtty-sir
>   alias pnp:dPNP0700 floppy
>   alias pnp:dPNP0303 atkbd
>   alias pnp:dPNP0f13 psmouse
>   ...
> We should make sure, that this still works, which wouldn't if we just
> do the acpi style aliases.

My thought is to make PNP emit uevents with modaliases like
"MODALIAS=pnp:PNP0501:PNP0500:" and make file2alias generate
aliases like "alias pnp*:PNP0500:* 8250_pnp".

Modprobe configs like "alias pnp:dPNP0510 irtty-sir" would
still work but would continue to depend on the udev shell hack.

If we just move the udev shell hack to the isapnp package, those
"alias pnp:dPNP0510 irtty-sir" configs would then depend on isapnp,
which doesn't seem like quite what we want.  We can certainly have
PNP0510 ACPI devices that don't depend on isapnp.

All I want to do now is *enable* more conventional configs like
"alias pnp*:PNP0510:* irtty-sir" to work without extra hacks.
I don't have any plan for actually removing the hacks or doing
any user-space transition.

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> > Before your file2alias.c changes[1], I think we generated this:
> >    alias pnp:dPNP0500* 8250_pnp
> >
> > We relied on the udev shell hack to run "modprobe -a pnp:dPNP0500"
> > based on the contents of /sys/bus/pnp/devices/00:05/id.
> >
> > With your file2alias.c changes, we now generate this:
> >    alias acpi*:PNP0500:* 8250_pnp
> >    alias pnp:dPNP0500* 8250_pnp
> >
> > On ACPI systems, this works fine because "acpi*:PNP0500:*" matches
> > the ACPI-generated uevents like:
> >    MODALIAS=acpi:PNP0501:PNP0500:
> >
> > We can load 8250_pnp without relying on the udev shell hack
> > *on ACPI systems*.
> >
> > I thought the object of your file2alias.c changes was to remove the
> > need for the udev shell hack, but don't we still require it on
> > non-ACPI systems because they won't emit the ACPI uevents?
>
> Yes, the plan is to move that rule from the default udev rule set to
> the isapnp package.

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