Re: [PATCH v5] ELF: implement AT_RANDOM for glibc PRNG seeding

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To: Andrew Morton <akpm@...>
Cc: Kees Cook <kees.cook@...>, <jakub@...>, <arjan@...>, <roland@...>, <linux-kernel@...>, <libc-alpha@...>
Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 - 4:22 pm

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Andrew Morton wrote:

Not stack randomization.  glibc needs right after startup a bit of
random data for internal protections (stack canary etc).  What is now in
upstream glibc is that we always unconditionally open /dev/urandom, read
some data, and use it.  For every process startup.  That's slow.

In addition Andi mentioned that this use of /dev/urandom might be
problematic.  I let him explain this.

The solution is to provide a limited amount of random data to the
starting process in the aux vector.  I suggested 16 bytes and this is
what the patch implements.  If we need only 16 bytes or less we use the
data directly.  If we need more we'll use the 16 bytes to see a PRNG.
This avoids the costly /dev/urandom use and it allows the kernel to use
the most adequate source of random data for this purpose.  It might not
be the same pool as that for /dev/urandom.



I think the last patch used the normal function to get 16 random bytes,
equivalent to the data used for stack randomization etc.

If Andi has concrete proposals for a revamp of the use of entropy in the
kernel this can be easily done as an add-on.  This patch doesn't make
the situation worse, it doesn't deplete entropy more than it happens now.

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➧ Ulrich Drepper ➧ Red Hat, Inc. ➧ 444 Castro St ➧ Mountain View, CA ❖
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Re: [PATCH] ELF: implement AT_RANDOM for future glibc use, Roland McGrath, (Mon Oct 6, 7:58 pm)
Re: [PATCH] ELF: implement AT_RANDOM for future glibc use, Ulrich Drepper, (Mon Oct 6, 8:57 pm)
Re: [PATCH] ELF: implement AT_RANDOM for future glibc use, Ulrich Drepper, (Mon Oct 6, 9:51 pm)
Re: [PATCH] ELF: implement AT_RANDOM for future glibc use, Ulrich Drepper, (Mon Oct 6, 8:08 pm)
Re: [PATCH] ELF: implement AT_RANDOM for future glibc use, Roland McGrath, (Thu Oct 2, 8:52 pm)
Re: [PATCH] ELF: implement AT_RANDOM for future glibc use, Roland McGrath, (Fri Oct 3, 4:22 pm)
Re: [PATCH] ELF: implement AT_RANDOM for future glibc use, Arjan van de Ven, (Fri Oct 3, 1:57 am)
Re: [PATCH] ELF: implement AT_RANDOM for future glibc use, Ulrich Drepper, (Fri Oct 3, 2:25 am)
Re: [PATCH v5] ELF: implement AT_RANDOM for glibc PRNG seeding, Ulrich Drepper, (Tue Oct 21, 4:22 pm)