Re: PROBLEM: Celeron Core

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To: Robert Hancock <hancockr@...>
Cc: David Newall <davidn@...>, Andi Kleen <andi@...>, Chodorenko Michail <misha@...>, Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...>
Date: Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 3:14 pm

On Sun, 2008-01-20 at 12:24 -0600, Robert Hancock wrote:

Your usage of "overall power" here is wrong. Power is an instantaneous
quantity (1/s) like velocity, and you are comparing it to energy which
is not an instaneous quantity, more like distance.

If we throttle the velocity of a car from 100km/h to 50km/h, it'll
obviously take longer for it travel a given distance. Now what will it
mean when we ask about its "overall velocity" when it reaches its
destination? We surely don't mean the distance travelled - that's not a
velocity! We can perhaps talk about its average velocity, which will
obviously be smaller.


That may be true. But the statement "throttling does not reduce power
usage" remains false. And the statement "throttling reduces heat
production but not power usage" remains physically impossible.

It might be true that "throttling increases energy usage per unit of
computation relative to no power saving measures at all", but that is
not incompatible with "throttling lets you run your laptop on battery
longer than no power saving measures at all", which is often what people
care about.

Voltage/frequency reduction is obviously a much better solution if it's
available as reducing voltage reduces power usage quadratically rather
than linearly. But beyond the quadratic/linear thing, the concept is the
same: use less power and your battery lasts longer.

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Re: PROBLEM: Celeron Core, Robert Hancock, (Sun Jan 20, 2:24 pm)
Re: PROBLEM: Celeron Core, Matt Mackall, (Sun Jan 20, 3:14 pm)
Re: PROBLEM: Celeron Core, Daniel Barkalow, (Mon Jan 21, 3:48 am)
Re: PROBLEM: Celeron Core, Robert Hancock, (Sun Jan 20, 3:24 pm)
Re: PROBLEM: Celeron Core, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Sun Jan 20, 5:31 pm)
Re: PROBLEM: Celeron Core, Andi Kleen, (Sun Jan 20, 3:16 pm)