Re: [TOMOYO 15/15] LSM expansion for TOMOYO Linux.

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To: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@...>
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Date: Wednesday, September 5, 2007 - 10:06 am

On Tuesday 04 September 2007 10:02:46 am Tetsuo Handa wrote:

Okay, I just went back and re-read the conversation from July as well as the 
description of your current patches and I think what is basically comes down 
to is that your design makes use of userspace intervention to allow/reject 
connections and/or packets based on the application's domain.  Unfortunately 
for TOMOYO, the current LSM network hooks are placed in such a way that you 
can not block and query a userspace agent for an access control decision.

Myself and some others have suggested using the netfilter userspace queue 
mechanism[1].  However, I understand this may cause you problems when you try 
to determine the incoming packet's destination/domain.  With these 
requirements I understand why you are pushing so hard to introduce these new 
LSM hooks, but for many reasons I would really prefer to try and find a way 
to utilize the existing hooks.  I've tried to think of a way to do this over 
the past day and have not been able to arrive at a clean solution.  
Personally, I still question the wisdom of receiving a packet/connection only 
to drop/reject it later when an application tries to read it but I might be 
the only one.

Based on some of the other discussion around this patch there appears to be 
other, larger issues which you still need to sort out (language parser in the 
kernel, /proc issues, etc.).  I would recommend addressing those concerns and 
including the netdev mailing list on your next patchset as they might have 
some thoughts on your network design.

[1]http://www.netfilter.org/projects/libnetfilter_queue/index.html

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paul moore
linux security @ hp
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[TOMOYO 15/15] LSM expansion for TOMOYO Linux., Kentaro Takeda, (Fri Aug 24, 8:58 am)
Re: [TOMOYO 15/15] LSM expansion for TOMOYO Linux., Paul Moore, (Mon Aug 27, 10:49 am)
Re: [TOMOYO 15/15] LSM expansion for TOMOYO Linux., Tetsuo Handa, (Tue Aug 28, 6:39 am)
Re: [TOMOYO 15/15] LSM expansion for TOMOYO Linux., Paul Moore, (Tue Aug 28, 9:21 am)
Re: [TOMOYO 15/15] LSM expansion for TOMOYO Linux., Tetsuo Handa, (Mon Sep 3, 9:15 am)
Re: [TOMOYO 15/15] LSM expansion for TOMOYO Linux., Paul Moore, (Tue Sep 4, 7:53 am)
Re: [TOMOYO 15/15] LSM expansion for TOMOYO Linux., Tetsuo Handa, (Tue Sep 4, 10:02 am)
Re: [TOMOYO 15/15] LSM expansion for TOMOYO Linux., Paul Moore, (Wed Sep 5, 10:06 am)
Re: [TOMOYO 15/15] LSM expansion for TOMOYO Linux., Tetsuo Handa, (Thu Sep 6, 9:04 am)
Re: [TOMOYO 15/15] LSM expansion for TOMOYO Linux., Paul Moore, (Thu Sep 6, 11:25 am)
Re: [TOMOYO 15/15] LSM expansion for TOMOYO Linux., Kyle Moffett, (Tue Sep 4, 10:13 am)
[TOMOYO 14/15] Conditional permission support., Kentaro Takeda, (Fri Aug 24, 8:57 am)
Re: [TOMOYO 14/15] Conditional permission support., Pavel Machek, (Sat Aug 25, 7:08 am)
Re: [TOMOYO 14/15] Conditional permission support., Tetsuo Handa, (Sat Aug 25, 10:13 pm)
Re: [TOMOYO 14/15] Conditional permission support., Kyle Moffett, (Mon Aug 27, 8:11 am)
Re: [TOMOYO 14/15] Conditional permission support., Tetsuo Handa, (Tue Aug 28, 9:00 am)
Re: [TOMOYO 14/15] Conditional permission support., Toshiharu Harada, (Sat Aug 25, 6:46 pm)
[TOMOYO 13/15] LSM adapter for TOMOYO., Kentaro Takeda, (Fri Aug 24, 8:56 am)
[TOMOYO 12/15] Signal transmission control functions., Kentaro Takeda, (Fri Aug 24, 8:56 am)
[TOMOYO 11/15] Namespace manipulation control functions., Kentaro Takeda, (Fri Aug 24, 8:55 am)
[TOMOYO 10/15] Networking access control functions., Kentaro Takeda, (Fri Aug 24, 8:54 am)
[TOMOYO 09/15] Argv[0] access control functions., Kentaro Takeda, (Fri Aug 24, 8:53 am)
[TOMOYO 08/15] File access control functions., Kentaro Takeda, (Fri Aug 24, 8:53 am)
[TOMOYO 07/15] Auditing interface., Kentaro Takeda, (Fri Aug 24, 8:52 am)
[TOMOYO 06/15] Domain transition handler functions., Kentaro Takeda, (Fri Aug 24, 8:50 am)
[TOMOYO 04/15] Memory and pathname management functions., Kentaro Takeda, (Fri Aug 24, 8:48 am)
[TOMOYO 03/15] Data structures and prototypes definition., Kentaro Takeda, (Fri Aug 24, 8:46 am)
[TOMOYO 02/15] Kconfig and Makefile for TOMOYO Linux., Kentaro Takeda, (Fri Aug 24, 8:45 am)
[TOMOYO 01/15] Allow use of namespace_sem from LSM module., Kentaro Takeda, (Fri Aug 24, 8:44 am)