Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

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To: Daniel Hazelton <dhazelton@...>
Cc: Krzysztof Halasa <khc@...>, <davids@...>, Linux-Kernel@Vger. Kernel. Org <linux-kernel@...>
Date: Tuesday, September 4, 2007 - 4:50 am

Daniel Hazelton wrote:

I believe you are making the mistake that the license on code has 
anything to do with what the author chooses to do in the future. 
Releasing something as BSD does not force the author to do anything in 
the future with his code, and he/she could add and relicence as he/she 
feels fit.  HOWEVER, that particular code has already been released as 
BSD, and the author no longer has control over that release.


I believe you are confusing the fact that an author can decide to 
release code under another license, with the existence of code under 
that earlier license.  The license grant comes from THE CODE (which 
bears a license), not THE AUTHOR.  I can use GPL code I get in the mail 
because the license on the work says I can do so, not because I 
contacted the author and got a specific grant.  If such a grant were 
only verbal, your theory might hold, but that doesn't apply to any OSS 
software under discussion here.

If your legal theory were true, I could sell you a book and then later 
demand that you destroy it.  I could also release something as public 
domain, and then later rescind that (I still hold the copyright on what 
I produced), and charge money from anyone who used it.  I think its safe 
to say that this does not happen in practice.  Please provide some 
examples to the contrary or caselaw if you want to convince me otherwise.

Furthermore, BSD/GPL software could not really exist under your legal 
theory; A programmer who wrote 30 year old core BSD code could wake up 
tomorrow and decide to require all BSD derivatives to remove his code or 
pay him for it (and the next day he could change the price again).  Open 
source software would not exist if such a liability were true, and 
companies like Sun could not be built up off of derivatives of it. 
Linux 0.01 is still available under a pre-GPL license if you can find a 
copy, and neither Linus (nor anyone else) can change that.

 >

There are plenty of rights, but retroactive changes to the license terms 
of something you've already distributed is not one of them.

  - Jim Bruce
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Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Constantine A. Murenin, (Sat Sep 1, 12:48 pm)
RE: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, David Schwartz, (Sun Sep 2, 10:01 pm)
RE: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, David Schwartz, (Sun Sep 2, 10:01 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Jeff Garzik, (Mon Sep 3, 4:58 am)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Pavel Machek, (Thu Sep 6, 3:12 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, David Schwartz, (Mon Sep 3, 5:21 am)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Jeff Garzik, (Mon Sep 3, 5:47 am)
RE: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, David Schwartz, (Mon Sep 3, 5:54 am)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Jan Engelhardt, (Mon Sep 3, 5:03 am)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Daniel Hazelton, (Sun Sep 2, 11:11 pm)
RE: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, David Schwartz, (Mon Sep 3, 5:48 am)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Daniel Hazelton, (Mon Sep 3, 2:01 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Krzysztof Halasa, (Mon Sep 3, 2:26 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Daniel Hazelton, (Mon Sep 3, 3:04 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, James Bruce, (Tue Sep 4, 4:50 am)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Daniel Hazelton, (Tue Sep 4, 12:59 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Krzysztof Halasa, (Mon Sep 3, 3:33 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Daniel Hazelton, (Mon Sep 3, 8:19 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Krzysztof Halasa, (Tue Sep 4, 9:27 am)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Daniel Hazelton, (Tue Sep 4, 1:13 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Krzysztof Halasa, (Wed Sep 5, 8:16 am)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Chris Friesen, (Tue Sep 4, 3:28 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, linux-os (Dick Johnson), (Tue Sep 4, 4:28 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Michael Poole, (Tue Sep 4, 3:44 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Daniel Hazelton, (Tue Sep 4, 7:08 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Jacob Meuser, (Sat Sep 1, 4:57 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Jeff Garzik, (Sat Sep 1, 1:21 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Constantine A. Murenin, (Sat Sep 1, 1:37 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Adrian Bunk, (Sat Sep 1, 4:54 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Sam Leffler, (Sat Sep 1, 6:03 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Adrian Bunk, (Sat Sep 1, 6:29 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Constantine A. Murenin, (Sat Sep 1, 5:27 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Adrian Bunk, (Sat Sep 1, 5:52 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Jason Dixon, (Sat Sep 1, 8:36 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Jonathan Gray, (Sat Sep 1, 10:22 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Alan Cox, (Sun Sep 2, 6:18 am)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Adrian Bunk, (Sat Sep 1, 9:55 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Constantine A. Murenin, (Sun Sep 2, 1:09 am)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Jeff Garzik, (Sat Sep 1, 9:34 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Constantine A. Murenin, (Sat Sep 1, 9:39 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Casey Dahlin, (Sat Sep 1, 9:58 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Jason Dixon, (Sat Sep 1, 10:44 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Al Viro, (Sat Sep 1, 10:06 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Jeff Garzik, (Sat Sep 1, 9:43 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Luis R. Rodriguez, (Sat Sep 1, 9:42 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Al Viro, (Sat Sep 1, 9:53 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Constantine A. Murenin, (Sat Sep 1, 7:29 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Adrian Bunk, (Sat Sep 1, 8:09 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Constantine A. Murenin, (Sat Sep 1, 8:53 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Igor Sobrado, (Sun Sep 2, 7:20 am)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Sep 2, 7:50 am)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Igor Sobrado, (Sun Sep 2, 8:28 am)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Igor Sobrado, (Sun Sep 2, 9:00 am)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Krzysztof Halasa, (Sun Sep 2, 9:57 am)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Jeff Garzik, (Sun Sep 2, 10:11 am)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Igor Sobrado, (Sun Sep 2, 11:58 am)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Matthew Jacob, (Sun Sep 2, 2:23 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Sep 2, 9:12 am)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Jeff Garzik, (Sun Sep 2, 8:36 am)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Luis R. Rodriguez, (Sat Sep 1, 7:48 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Constantine A. Murenin, (Sat Sep 1, 8:11 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Adrian Bunk, (Sat Sep 1, 5:16 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Constantine A. Murenin, (Sat Sep 1, 5:51 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Adrian Bunk, (Sat Sep 1, 6:06 pm)