Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

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To: Krzysztof Halasa <khc@...>
Cc: <davids@...>, Linux-Kernel@Vger. Kernel. Org <linux-kernel@...>
Date: Monday, September 3, 2007 - 3:04 pm

On Monday 03 September 2007 14:26:29 Krzysztof Halasa wrote:

I hate to belabor the point, but you seem to be making the mistake of "The 
license applies to the copyright holder" that I've seen a lot of people make 
(and kept quiet about).

The person holding the copyright has all the legal standing to revoke a 
license grant at any time. Licenses such as the GPL are not signed contracts, 
and that means there are limits to what effect they can have on the copyright 
holder.

If the license was of the "signed contract" type, or contained text stating 
that the copyright holder was giving up all rights of revocation (etc...) I 
could agree with you. As it stands, no "Open Source" license that I have seen 
used on a major project contains any part that does that. In fact, the GPL is 
the only license I can name (offhand) that even touches on the rights of the 
copyright holder - and then it is in the form of "If you do X, Y or Z all 
rights granted under this license are automatically revoked".

That is an "automatic clause" - not a limitation stating that the copyright 
holder can only revoke under those conditions. The person holding the 
copyright has quite a few rights - more than people believe - and not even 
the most generous of Open Source licenses (except those that contain text 
like "granted in perpetuity" or similar) even come close to being exempt from 
the holder of the copyright not being able to summarily revoke a given 
persons license.

DRH

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Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Constantine A. Murenin, (Sat Sep 1, 12:48 pm)
RE: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, David Schwartz, (Sun Sep 2, 10:01 pm)
RE: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, David Schwartz, (Sun Sep 2, 10:01 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Jeff Garzik, (Mon Sep 3, 4:58 am)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Pavel Machek, (Thu Sep 6, 3:12 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, David Schwartz, (Mon Sep 3, 5:21 am)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Jeff Garzik, (Mon Sep 3, 5:47 am)
RE: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, David Schwartz, (Mon Sep 3, 5:54 am)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Jan Engelhardt, (Mon Sep 3, 5:03 am)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Daniel Hazelton, (Sun Sep 2, 11:11 pm)
RE: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, David Schwartz, (Mon Sep 3, 5:48 am)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Daniel Hazelton, (Mon Sep 3, 2:01 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Krzysztof Halasa, (Mon Sep 3, 2:26 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Daniel Hazelton, (Mon Sep 3, 3:04 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, James Bruce, (Tue Sep 4, 4:50 am)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Daniel Hazelton, (Tue Sep 4, 12:59 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Krzysztof Halasa, (Mon Sep 3, 3:33 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Daniel Hazelton, (Mon Sep 3, 8:19 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Krzysztof Halasa, (Tue Sep 4, 9:27 am)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Daniel Hazelton, (Tue Sep 4, 1:13 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Krzysztof Halasa, (Wed Sep 5, 8:16 am)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Chris Friesen, (Tue Sep 4, 3:28 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, linux-os (Dick Johnson), (Tue Sep 4, 4:28 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Michael Poole, (Tue Sep 4, 3:44 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Daniel Hazelton, (Tue Sep 4, 7:08 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Jacob Meuser, (Sat Sep 1, 4:57 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Jeff Garzik, (Sat Sep 1, 1:21 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Constantine A. Murenin, (Sat Sep 1, 1:37 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Adrian Bunk, (Sat Sep 1, 4:54 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Sam Leffler, (Sat Sep 1, 6:03 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Adrian Bunk, (Sat Sep 1, 6:29 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Constantine A. Murenin, (Sat Sep 1, 5:27 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Adrian Bunk, (Sat Sep 1, 5:52 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Jason Dixon, (Sat Sep 1, 8:36 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Jonathan Gray, (Sat Sep 1, 10:22 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Alan Cox, (Sun Sep 2, 6:18 am)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Adrian Bunk, (Sat Sep 1, 9:55 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Constantine A. Murenin, (Sun Sep 2, 1:09 am)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Jeff Garzik, (Sat Sep 1, 9:34 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Constantine A. Murenin, (Sat Sep 1, 9:39 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Casey Dahlin, (Sat Sep 1, 9:58 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Jason Dixon, (Sat Sep 1, 10:44 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Al Viro, (Sat Sep 1, 10:06 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Jeff Garzik, (Sat Sep 1, 9:43 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Luis R. Rodriguez, (Sat Sep 1, 9:42 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Al Viro, (Sat Sep 1, 9:53 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Constantine A. Murenin, (Sat Sep 1, 7:29 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Adrian Bunk, (Sat Sep 1, 8:09 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Constantine A. Murenin, (Sat Sep 1, 8:53 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Igor Sobrado, (Sun Sep 2, 7:20 am)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Sep 2, 7:50 am)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Igor Sobrado, (Sun Sep 2, 8:28 am)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Igor Sobrado, (Sun Sep 2, 9:00 am)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Krzysztof Halasa, (Sun Sep 2, 9:57 am)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Jeff Garzik, (Sun Sep 2, 10:11 am)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Igor Sobrado, (Sun Sep 2, 11:58 am)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Matthew Jacob, (Sun Sep 2, 2:23 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Sep 2, 9:12 am)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Jeff Garzik, (Sun Sep 2, 8:36 am)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Luis R. Rodriguez, (Sat Sep 1, 7:48 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Constantine A. Murenin, (Sat Sep 1, 8:11 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Adrian Bunk, (Sat Sep 1, 5:16 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Constantine A. Murenin, (Sat Sep 1, 5:51 pm)
Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Adrian Bunk, (Sat Sep 1, 6:06 pm)