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To: Jarek Poplawski <jarkao2@...>
Cc: David Schwartz <davids@...>, Linux-Kernel@Vger. Kernel. Org <linux-kernel@...>, Mike Galbraith <efault@...>, Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@...>, Martin Michlmayr <tbm@...>, Srivatsa Vaddagiri <vatsa@...>, Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@...>
Date: Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 5:46 am

* Jarek Poplawski <jarkao2@o2.pl> wrote:


note that i qualified my sentence both via "In that sense" and via a 
smiley! So i was not suggesting that this is a general rule at all and i 
was also joking :-)


What you missed is that there is no such thing as "predictable yield 
behavior" for anything but SCHED_FIFO/RR tasks (for which tasks CFS does 
keep the behavior). Please read this thread on lkml for a more detailed 
background:

   CFS: some bad numbers with Java/database threading [FIXED]

   http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/9/19/357
   http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/9/19/328

in short: the yield implementation was tied to the O(1) scheduler, so 
the only way to have the exact same behavior would be to have the exact 
same core scheduler again. If what you said was true we would not be 
able to change the scheduler, ever. For something as vaguely defined of 
an API as yield, there's just no way to have a different core scheduler 
and still behave the same way.

So _generally_ i'd agree with you that normally we want to be bug for 
bug compatible, but in this specific (iperf) case there's just no point 
in preserving behavior that papers over this _clearly_ broken user-space 
app/thread locking (for which now two fixes exist already, plus a third 
fix is the twiddling of that sysctl).

	Ingo
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Network slowdown due to CFS, Martin Michlmayr, (Wed Sep 26, 4:52 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Mike Galbraith, (Wed Sep 26, 6:23 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Martin Michlmayr, (Wed Sep 26, 6:48 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Sep 26, 7:21 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Martin Michlmayr, (Wed Sep 26, 7:29 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Thu Sep 27, 5:49 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Martin Michlmayr, (Thu Sep 27, 6:54 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Thu Sep 27, 6:56 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Martin Michlmayr, (Thu Sep 27, 7:12 am)
RE: Network slowdown due to CFS, David Schwartz, (Wed Sep 26, 8:00 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Sep 26, 9:31 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Jarek Poplawski, (Thu Sep 27, 5:30 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Thu Sep 27, 5:46 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Jarek Poplawski, (Thu Sep 27, 8:27 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Thu Sep 27, 9:31 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Jarek Poplawski, (Thu Sep 27, 10:42 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Nick Piggin, (Fri Sep 28, 2:10 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Jarek Poplawski, (Mon Oct 1, 4:43 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Jarek Poplawski, (Tue Oct 2, 5:26 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Mon Oct 1, 12:25 pm)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Jarek Poplawski, (Tue Oct 2, 5:03 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Jarek Poplawski, (Tue Oct 2, 9:39 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Chris Friesen, (Mon Oct 1, 12:55 pm)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Mon Oct 1, 1:09 pm)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Chris Friesen, (Mon Oct 1, 1:45 pm)
Re: iperf yield usage, Ingo Molnar, (Mon Oct 1, 3:09 pm)
RE: Network slowdown due to CFS, David Schwartz, (Mon Oct 1, 12:49 pm)
RE: Network slowdown due to CFS, Rusty Russell, (Wed Oct 3, 8:31 pm)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Helge Hafting, (Wed Oct 3, 7:31 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Arjan van de Ven, (Mon Oct 1, 3:53 pm)
RE: Network slowdown due to CFS, David Schwartz, (Mon Oct 1, 6:17 pm)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Arjan van de Ven, (Mon Oct 1, 6:35 pm)
RE: Network slowdown due to CFS, David Schwartz, (Mon Oct 1, 6:44 pm)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Arjan van de Ven, (Mon Oct 1, 6:55 pm)
RE: Network slowdown due to CFS, David Schwartz, (Tue Oct 2, 11:37 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Jarek Poplawski, (Wed Oct 3, 3:15 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Mon Oct 1, 1:31 pm)
RE: Network slowdown due to CFS, David Schwartz, (Mon Oct 1, 2:23 pm)
Re: yield API, Ingo Molnar, (Tue Oct 2, 2:46 am)
Re: yield API, Jesper Juhl, (Wed Dec 12, 6:39 pm)
Re: yield API, Kyle Moffett, (Thu Dec 13, 12:43 am)
RE: yield API, David Schwartz, (Thu Dec 13, 4:10 pm)
Re: yield API, Eric St-Laurent, (Tue Oct 2, 5:57 pm)
Re: yield API, linux-os (Dick Johnson), (Tue Oct 2, 7:50 am)
Re: yield API, Douglas McNaught, (Tue Oct 2, 11:24 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Tue Oct 2, 2:26 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Tue Oct 2, 2:08 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Tue Oct 2, 2:06 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Jarek Poplawski, (Wed Oct 3, 4:02 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Oct 3, 4:16 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Jarek Poplawski, (Wed Oct 3, 4:56 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Oct 3, 5:10 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Casey Dahlin, (Thu Oct 4, 1:33 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Jarek Poplawski, (Wed Oct 3, 5:50 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Oct 7, 3:18 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Dmitry Adamushko, (Wed Oct 3, 6:55 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Jarek Poplawski, (Wed Oct 3, 7:40 am)
Re: yield, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Oct 3, 7:56 am)
Re: yield, Jarek Poplawski, (Wed Oct 3, 8:16 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Oct 3, 7:22 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Dmitry Adamushko, (Wed Oct 3, 6:58 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Jarek Poplawski, (Wed Oct 3, 7:20 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Andi Kleen, (Tue Oct 2, 2:47 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Stephen Hemminger, (Wed Sep 26, 11:46 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Stephen Hemminger, (Wed Sep 26, 11:40 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Mike Galbraith, (Wed Sep 26, 6:20 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Sep 26, 5:34 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Sep 26, 5:47 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Martin Michlmayr, (Wed Sep 26, 6:08 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Sep 26, 6:18 am)
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