Monster switch for small size (was Linux-tiny revival)

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Date: Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 1:10 pm

Andy Whitcroft wrote:

I agree completely.

I have been thinking for a while about how to make a "monster switch"
(the kind they always seem to have in Frankenstein movies) that
switches a whole bunch of settings at once.  We currently have methods
in the kernel for:
 * default (or recommended) config for a particular platform
 * all yes - to build as much as possible
 * all no - to build as little as possible

The problem with "allno" is that it rarely produces a usable
kernel.

There are three possible approaches that I can think of:
 1) use a tool to start from default and turn off options
 to make a small (but still usable) config
   * I have a tool to do this now as part of my automated test
   I haven't published it, but I can if anyone's interested.
 2) use the kconfig dependency system to disable stuff automatically
 if someone chooses the "make_it_small" option.
 3) create defconfig_small files for the platforms that care about
 size

3) is easiest to implement at first.  It's trivial to make a new
defconfig, and we could easily come up with a convention for them.
However, they would be a pain to maintain (this would essentially
double the defconfig maintenance), and you'd have to convince
people that it's worth carrying these in the mainline tree.

I haven't looked at 2), so I'm not sure exactly what would be
involved.  I'm not sure if you can centralize all the dependency
information in the "make_it_small" option, or if you'd have
to spread it out to the related configs.  I'm not even sure which
arrangement of the info would be the easiest to maintain.  Would
it be best to have a single size-conscious person maintain the
dependencies, or better for config authors to maintain this info
in parallel?

Anyway, those are just some thoughts on the subject.
Feedback on an acceptable solution would be welcome.
 -- Tim

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Tim Bird
Architecture Group Chair, CE Linux Forum
Senior Staff Engineer, Sony Corporation of America
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[Announce] Linux-tiny project revival, Tim Bird, (Wed Sep 19, 2:03 pm)
Re: [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival, Rob Landley, (Thu Sep 20, 4:38 pm)
Re: [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival, Arnd Bergmann, (Thu Sep 27, 3:00 am)
Re: [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival, Rob Landley, (Thu Sep 27, 8:06 pm)
Re: [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival, Indan Zupancic, (Thu Sep 27, 12:35 pm)
Re: [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival, Arnd Bergmann, (Thu Sep 27, 6:21 pm)
Re: [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival, Bernd Petrovitsch, (Fri Sep 28, 4:39 am)
Re: [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival, Jörn, (Sun Sep 30, 4:37 pm)
Re: [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival, Bill Davidsen, (Fri Sep 21, 8:27 am)
Re: [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival, Tim Bird, (Thu Sep 20, 5:58 pm)
Re: [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival, Joe Perches, (Thu Sep 20, 6:14 pm)
Re: [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival, Rob Landley, (Thu Sep 20, 8:28 pm)
Re: [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival, Joe Perches, (Thu Sep 20, 8:03 pm)
Re: [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival, Rob Landley, (Thu Sep 20, 7:11 pm)
Re: [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival, Indan Zupancic, (Thu Sep 20, 5:26 pm)
Re: [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival, Rob Landley, (Thu Sep 20, 7:18 pm)
Re: [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival, Kyle Moffett, (Fri Sep 21, 5:34 pm)
Re: [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival, Joe Perches, (Fri Sep 21, 6:05 pm)
Re: [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival, Kyle Moffett, (Fri Sep 21, 6:57 pm)
Re: [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival, Joe Perches, (Fri Sep 21, 1:45 pm)
Re: [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival, Rob Landley, (Fri Sep 21, 7:05 pm)
Re: [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival, Joe Perches, (Fri Sep 21, 7:08 pm)
Re: [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival, Indan Zupancic, (Thu Sep 20, 7:06 pm)
Re: [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival, Sam Ravnborg, (Fri Sep 21, 2:29 am)
Re: [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival, Adrian Bunk, (Mon Sep 24, 2:13 pm)
Re: [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival, Rob Landley, (Wed Sep 26, 2:24 am)
Re: [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival, Joe Perches, (Thu Sep 20, 4:16 pm)
Re: [Celinux-dev] Re: [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival, Geert Uytterhoeven, (Tue Sep 25, 7:43 am)
Re: [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival, Alexey Dobriyan, (Thu Sep 20, 3:58 pm)
Re: [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival, Rob Landley, (Thu Sep 20, 6:02 pm)
Re: [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival, Jared Hulbert, (Thu Sep 20, 5:22 pm)
Re: [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival, Rob Landley, (Thu Sep 20, 6:53 pm)
Re: printk proposal - (was Linux-tiny project revival), Alexey Dobriyan, (Fri Sep 21, 3:07 pm)
Re: printk proposal - (was Linux-tiny project revival), Rob Landley, (Fri Sep 21, 4:53 pm)
Re: [Celinux-dev] [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival, Andrew Morton, (Wed Sep 19, 5:28 pm)
Re: [Celinux-dev] [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival, Michael Opdenacker, (Wed Sep 19, 6:38 pm)
Re: [Celinux-dev] [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival, Andy Whitcroft, (Thu Sep 20, 5:10 am)
Monster switch for small size (was Linux-tiny revival), Tim Bird, (Thu Sep 20, 1:10 pm)
Re: Monster switch for small size (was Linux-tiny revival), Christian MICHON, (Fri Sep 21, 2:35 am)
Re: [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival, Andi Kleen, (Wed Sep 19, 3:28 pm)
Re: [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival, Tim Bird, (Wed Sep 19, 3:41 pm)
Re: [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival, Tim Bird, (Wed Sep 19, 5:29 pm)
Re: [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival, Michael Opdenacker, (Wed Sep 19, 6:29 pm)
Re: [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival, Christian MICHON, (Wed Sep 19, 3:01 pm)
Re: [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival, Luis R. Rodriguez, (Wed Sep 19, 2:47 pm)
Re: [Announce] Linux-tiny project revival, Tim Bird, (Wed Sep 19, 3:31 pm)