RE: Wasting our Freedom

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From: David Schwartz
Date: Monday, September 17, 2007 - 5:08 am

Hannah Schroeter wrote:


You are confusing two completely different issues. One is about removing
license notices, the other is about relicensing. One has nothing whatsoever
to do with the other.

No amount of changing license notices affects the license a recipient gets
to any code that the license changer did not contribute. You cannot, in the
sense of it being legally impossible, affect the license your recipients get
to code you did not author.

Relicensing is simply impossible under either the BSD license or the GPL
license. Neither grants you any relicensing rights.

Remove the BSD license from a dual-licensed work doesn't relicense anything.
Everyone who gets the work still gets a dual license from the original
author.


Of course not. But since the GPL does not require you to keep a BSD license
notice intact and the BSD license does not require you to keep a GPL license
notice intact, the result is that you do have the right to remove the other
license's terms altogether. Note that this has no effect whatsoever on the
rights anyone actually gets. Rights come from licenses, not license notices.

If you were right, a dual-licensed work would not be GPL compatible. Since
the GPL prohibits the use of any mechanism to prohibit modification to the
work (other than the inability to remove the GPL itself).


Umm, no. That's so obviously mind-bogglingly crazy that I don't even know
where to start. Let's try a hypothetical:

I download the entire Linux kernel and remove every single GPL license
notice and replace it with a public domain notice. I then distribute the
result. Am I relicensing the Linux kernel?

Isn't it obvious that I'm not. I *can't*. I have no right to change the
license under which other people's code is offered.

When you change a license notice, that has no effect on the actual license
anyone gets to anyone else's work. You license notice changes can only
affect licenses that *you* grant.

Nothing requires a license that exists to be documented in the accompanying
file. There is nothing in copyright law that is offended by the idea that
someone might remove a license notification even though the license still
applies so long as the license only *adds* rights.

The only reason we can't remove the GPL license from the Linux kernel is
because the GPL says so.


You are confusing licenses with license notices. The GPL says you must keep
GPL license notices intact. Otherwise, it gives you complete freedom to
modify. This means that if you choose the GPL, you gain (from the GPL) the
right to remove the BSD license *NOTICE*.

This has no effect on anyone's substantive rights though. Removing license
notices has no effect on actual licenses.

DS


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Re: Wasting our Freedom, Can E. Acar, (Sun Sep 16, 11:48 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Jeff Garzik, (Sun Sep 16, 12:40 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Sep 16, 12:59 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Daniel Hazelton, (Sun Sep 16, 1:32 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Hannah Schroeter, (Sun Sep 16, 1:39 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Daniel Hazelton, (Sun Sep 16, 2:11 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Theodore Tso, (Sun Sep 16, 2:12 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Sep 16, 2:13 pm)
RE: Wasting our Freedom, David Schwartz, (Sun Sep 16, 3:19 pm)
RE: Wasting our Freedom, David Schwartz, (Sun Sep 16, 3:37 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Sep 16, 4:09 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Jacob Meuser, (Sun Sep 16, 4:16 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, david, (Sun Sep 16, 4:40 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Jeff Garzik, (Sun Sep 16, 5:01 pm)
RE: Wasting our Freedom, David Schwartz, (Sun Sep 16, 5:29 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Sep 16, 5:57 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Theodore Tso, (Sun Sep 16, 6:19 pm)
RE: Wasting our Freedom, David Schwartz, (Sun Sep 16, 6:35 pm)
RE: Wasting our Freedom, David Schwartz, (Sun Sep 16, 6:40 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Sep 16, 6:44 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Sep 16, 6:51 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Can E. Acar, (Sun Sep 16, 8:00 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Jeff Garzik, (Sun Sep 16, 8:32 pm)
RE: Wasting our Freedom, David Schwartz, (Sun Sep 16, 8:37 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Daniel Hazelton, (Sun Sep 16, 10:33 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Can E. Acar, (Sun Sep 16, 11:43 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Daniel Hazelton, (Mon Sep 17, 12:36 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Helge Hafting, (Mon Sep 17, 12:47 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Hannah Schroeter, (Mon Sep 17, 2:10 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Hannah Schroeter, (Mon Sep 17, 2:20 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Henning Brauer, (Mon Sep 17, 2:30 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Hannah Schroeter, (Mon Sep 17, 4:18 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Hannah Schroeter, (Mon Sep 17, 4:20 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Jacob Meuser, (Mon Sep 17, 4:50 am)
RE: Wasting our Freedom, David Schwartz, (Mon Sep 17, 4:57 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Hannah Schroeter, (Mon Sep 17, 5:06 am)
RE: Wasting our Freedom, David Schwartz, (Mon Sep 17, 5:08 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Krzysztof Halasa, (Mon Sep 17, 5:10 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Theodore Tso, (Mon Sep 17, 5:19 am)
RE: Wasting our Freedom, David Schwartz, (Mon Sep 17, 5:36 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Claudio Jeker, (Mon Sep 17, 5:55 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Adrian Bunk, (Mon Sep 17, 5:57 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Jason Dixon, (Mon Sep 17, 6:15 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Hans-Jürgen Koch, (Mon Sep 17, 6:19 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Sean, (Mon Sep 17, 6:27 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, David Newall, (Mon Sep 17, 6:28 am)
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Re: Wasting our Freedom, Theodore Tso, (Mon Sep 17, 6:34 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Adrian Bunk, (Mon Sep 17, 6:38 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Krzysztof Halasa, (Mon Sep 17, 6:39 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Adrian Bunk, (Mon Sep 17, 6:42 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Paul de Weerd, (Mon Sep 17, 8:15 am)
RE: Wasting our Freedom, David Schwartz, (Mon Sep 17, 8:20 am)
RE: Wasting our Freedom, David Schwartz, (Mon Sep 17, 8:25 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Adrian Bunk, (Mon Sep 17, 8:38 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Adrian Bunk, (Mon Sep 17, 9:18 am)
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Re: Wasting our Freedom, Paul de Weerd, (Mon Sep 17, 11:02 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Adrian Bunk, (Mon Sep 17, 11:32 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Claudio Jeker, (Mon Sep 17, 12:23 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Paul de Weerd, (Mon Sep 17, 12:27 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Theodore Tso, (Mon Sep 17, 12:50 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Krzysztof Halasa, (Mon Sep 17, 1:35 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Theodore Tso, (Mon Sep 17, 1:43 pm)
RE: Wasting our Freedom, David Schwartz, (Mon Sep 17, 2:09 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Ingo Schwarze, (Mon Sep 17, 2:39 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Can E. Acar, (Mon Sep 17, 3:06 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Krzysztof Halasa, (Mon Sep 17, 4:35 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Theodore Tso, (Mon Sep 17, 4:47 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Ingo Schwarze, (Mon Sep 17, 4:56 pm)
RE: Wasting our Freedom, David Schwartz, (Mon Sep 17, 5:03 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Al Viro, (Mon Sep 17, 5:44 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Henning Brauer, (Tue Sep 18, 2:00 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Helge Hafting, (Tue Sep 18, 4:17 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Gilles Chehade, (Tue Sep 18, 4:28 am)
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Re: Wasting our Bandwidth, Xavier Bestel, (Tue Sep 18, 5:04 am)
Re: Wasting our Bandwidth, Marco Peereboom, (Tue Sep 18, 5:24 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Theodore Tso, (Tue Sep 18, 5:56 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, frantisek holop, (Tue Sep 18, 6:58 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Denis Doroshenko, (Tue Sep 18, 8:47 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, frantisek holop, (Tue Sep 18, 8:55 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Marco Peereboom, (Tue Sep 18, 10:15 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Can E. Acar, (Tue Sep 18, 11:55 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Lennart Sorensen, (Tue Sep 18, 12:04 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Jeff Garzik, (Tue Sep 18, 12:37 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Can E. Acar, (Tue Sep 18, 12:51 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Martin Schlemmer, (Tue Sep 18, 3:24 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Jacob Meuser, (Tue Sep 18, 4:34 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Alan Cox, (Tue Sep 18, 5:24 pm)