Re: Wasting our Freedom

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To: David Schwartz <davids@...>
Cc: Linux-Kernel@Vger. Kernel. Org <linux-kernel@...>
Date: Monday, September 17, 2007 - 8:06 am

Hello!

On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 04:57:29AM -0700, David Schwartz wrote:




Do *you* read the GPL and tell me where exactly it does *explicitly*
allow to change license notices at all. Ya know, that right is reserved
by law and must be *explicitly* granted. So just not explicitly
forbidding it isn't enough.




It permits modifications of the *work*, but not of the license.
(Re)Licensing is a *seperate* reserved right of copyright holders.



No. Copyright reserves rights. Copyright imposes *all* restrictions by
itself. You need to explicitly relinguish the restrictions for others to
be allowed to do just nearly *anything* (except fair use rights) with
the work.


It grants modification rights to the *work*, but not modification of
license (relicensing).


    6. Each time you redistribute the Program (or any work based on the
  Program), the recipient automatically receives a license from the
  original licensor to copy, distribute or modify the Program subject to
  these terms and conditions.  You may not impose any further
  restrictions on the recipients' exercise of the rights granted herein.
  You are not responsible for enforcing compliance by third parties to
  this License.

Now, the copyright holder hirself can exercise any rights anyway, as zie
doesn't need any license at all, anyway. And then, you just are not
allowed to restrict *rights granted herein*. But the *rights granted
herein* do not include relicensing (or where does the GPL explicitly
grant the right of relicensing?). So one *may* restrict relicensing.
In fact relicensing is restricted by "default" (law).


Kind regards,

Hannah.
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Re: Wasting our Freedom, Can E. Acar, (Sun Sep 16, 2:48 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Daniel Hazelton, (Sun Sep 16, 4:32 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Can E. Acar, (Sun Sep 16, 11:00 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Krzysztof Halasa, (Mon Sep 17, 8:10 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Daniel Hazelton, (Mon Sep 17, 1:33 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Can E. Acar, (Mon Sep 17, 2:43 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Daniel Hazelton, (Mon Sep 17, 3:36 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Jeff Garzik, (Sun Sep 16, 11:32 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Sep 16, 3:59 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Hannah Schroeter, (Sun Sep 16, 4:39 pm)
RE: Wasting our Freedom, David Schwartz, (Sun Sep 16, 6:19 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Hannah Schroeter, (Mon Sep 17, 7:20 am)
RE: Wasting our Freedom, David Schwartz, (Mon Sep 17, 7:57 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Hannah Schroeter, (Mon Sep 17, 8:06 am)
RE: Wasting our Freedom, David Schwartz, (Mon Sep 17, 8:36 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Sep 16, 5:13 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Hannah Schroeter, (Mon Sep 17, 5:20 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Adrian Bunk, (Mon Sep 17, 9:38 am)
RE: Wasting our Freedom, David Schwartz, (Mon Sep 17, 11:25 am)
Wasting My Time (was Re: Wasting our Freedom), Eric Furman, (Mon Sep 17, 1:14 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Adrian Bunk, (Mon Sep 17, 12:18 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Paul de Weerd, (Mon Sep 17, 11:15 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Adrian Bunk, (Mon Sep 17, 11:38 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Paul de Weerd, (Mon Sep 17, 2:02 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Adrian Bunk, (Mon Sep 17, 2:32 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Paul de Weerd, (Mon Sep 17, 3:27 pm)
RE: Wasting our Freedom, David Schwartz, (Sun Sep 16, 6:37 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Sep 16, 7:09 pm)
RE: Wasting our Freedom, David Schwartz, (Sun Sep 16, 8:29 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Theodore Tso, (Sun Sep 16, 9:19 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Sep 16, 9:44 pm)
RE: Wasting our Freedom, David Schwartz, (Sun Sep 16, 9:40 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Sep 16, 8:57 pm)
RE: Wasting our Freedom, David Schwartz, (Sun Sep 16, 9:35 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Sep 16, 9:51 pm)
RE: Wasting our Freedom, David Schwartz, (Sun Sep 16, 11:37 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Theodore Tso, (Sun Sep 16, 5:12 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Claudio Jeker, (Mon Sep 17, 8:55 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Theodore Tso, (Mon Sep 17, 9:34 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Claudio Jeker, (Mon Sep 17, 3:23 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Theodore Tso, (Mon Sep 17, 4:43 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Henning Brauer, (Tue Sep 18, 5:00 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Marco Peereboom, (Tue Sep 18, 7:29 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Theodore Tso, (Tue Sep 18, 8:56 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Jacob Meuser, (Tue Sep 18, 7:34 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Alan Cox, (Tue Sep 18, 8:24 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Gilles Chehade, (Tue Sep 18, 7:28 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Marco Peereboom, (Tue Sep 18, 1:15 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, frantisek holop, (Tue Sep 18, 11:55 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Denis Doroshenko, (Tue Sep 18, 11:47 am)
Re: Wasting our Bandwidth, Xavier Bestel, (Tue Sep 18, 8:04 am)
Re: Wasting our Bandwidth, Marco Peereboom, (Tue Sep 18, 8:24 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Can E. Acar, (Mon Sep 17, 6:06 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Theodore Tso, (Mon Sep 17, 7:47 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Can E. Acar, (Tue Sep 18, 2:55 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Martin Schlemmer, (Tue Sep 18, 6:24 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Jeff Garzik, (Tue Sep 18, 3:37 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Lennart Sorensen, (Tue Sep 18, 3:04 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Can E. Acar, (Tue Sep 18, 3:51 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Hannah Schroeter, (Mon Sep 17, 7:18 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Krzysztof Halasa, (Mon Sep 17, 9:39 am)
RE: Wasting our Freedom, David Schwartz, (Mon Sep 17, 11:20 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Krzysztof Halasa, (Mon Sep 17, 4:35 pm)
RE: Wasting our Freedom, David Schwartz, (Mon Sep 17, 5:09 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Krzysztof Halasa, (Mon Sep 17, 7:35 pm)
RE: Wasting our Freedom, David Schwartz, (Mon Sep 17, 8:03 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Al Viro, (Mon Sep 17, 8:44 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Theodore Tso, (Mon Sep 17, 3:50 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Theodore Tso, (Mon Sep 17, 8:19 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Jacob Meuser, (Sun Sep 16, 7:16 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Helge Hafting, (Mon Sep 17, 3:47 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Jacob Meuser, (Mon Sep 17, 7:50 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Helge Hafting, (Tue Sep 18, 7:17 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, David Newall, (Mon Sep 17, 9:28 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, , (Sun Sep 16, 7:40 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Ingo Schwarze, (Mon Sep 17, 7:56 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Henning Brauer, (Mon Sep 17, 5:30 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Adrian Bunk, (Mon Sep 17, 8:57 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Ingo Schwarze, (Mon Sep 17, 5:39 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Jason Dixon, (Mon Sep 17, 9:15 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Sean, (Mon Sep 17, 9:27 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Jason Dixon, (Mon Sep 17, 9:33 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Adrian Bunk, (Mon Sep 17, 9:42 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Hans-Jürgen Koch, (Mon Sep 17, 9:19 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Jeff Garzik, (Sun Sep 16, 8:01 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Daniel Hazelton, (Sun Sep 16, 5:11 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Hannah Schroeter, (Mon Sep 17, 5:10 am)
RE: Wasting our Freedom, David Schwartz, (Mon Sep 17, 8:08 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, frantisek holop, (Tue Sep 18, 9:58 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Jeff Garzik, (Sun Sep 16, 3:40 pm)