RE: Wasting our Freedom

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Date: Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 8:29 pm

Adrian Bunk writes:



 

This is a misleading statement. When you distribute the code, you can choose from which license you obtain the right to distribute, but this has *NO* effect on the rights the recipient of the code gets.

This is a common misunderstanding, so people who understand the issue should work extra hard to be clear. If you obtain the right to distribute a dual-licensed work to me from the GPL, I still receive a dual-license to the work from the original author. You are not a party to the grant and cannot modify it.
 

Everyone receiving dual-licensed code who wishes to modify or distribute that code may choose from which license they obtain that right. They need only comply with the terms of the license from which they obtain rights. But this has no effect on anybody else nor does it have any effect on what rights recipients get to that original work.

In every case, a recipient gets from the original author all the rights the original author offered to those elements that person authored.

 

In responses and posts, there is over and over a huge confusion between two completely different issues. One is about whether you can modify licenses, the other is about whether you can modify license *notices*.

You can obtain the right to modify or remove a BSD license *notice* from the GPL. The GPL gives you the right to modify and doesn't require you to keep any *other* licenses intact. But this is simply a change to a notice. It has no effect on anyone's actual substantive rights whatsoever.

To the extent that others are saying that you cannot modify the *license*, they are correct. The original author extended that license to all recipients of their code, regardless of how they get them, and you cannot affect this process in any way.

Again, one more time:

1) You can obtain, from the GPL, the right to remove a BSD license notice.

2) You can obtain, from the BSD license, the right to remove a GPL license notice.

3) Neither of these actions has any effect on the fact that these licenses still exist from the original author and still grant rights to anyone who comes into lawful possession of the work.

Of course, if you take a dual-licensed file, remove the BSD notice, and then add more to it, those contributions can be offered *by* *their* *original* *authors* under only the GPL.

Any protectable elements still in the work that were offered by their original authors under either a dual-license or a BSD license are still licensed to every recipient of that derivative work under the original license. (See GPL section 6 and if you think it through, there's simply no other way it could work.)


Really? On almost every other forum I know of, the rule is the reverse. It is rude to CC posts to people who are most likely on the list anyway.

DS


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Re: Wasting our Freedom, Can E. Acar, (Sun Sep 16, 2:48 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Daniel Hazelton, (Sun Sep 16, 4:32 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Can E. Acar, (Sun Sep 16, 11:00 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Krzysztof Halasa, (Mon Sep 17, 8:10 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Daniel Hazelton, (Mon Sep 17, 1:33 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Can E. Acar, (Mon Sep 17, 2:43 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Daniel Hazelton, (Mon Sep 17, 3:36 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Jeff Garzik, (Sun Sep 16, 11:32 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Sep 16, 3:59 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Hannah Schroeter, (Sun Sep 16, 4:39 pm)
RE: Wasting our Freedom, David Schwartz, (Sun Sep 16, 6:19 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Hannah Schroeter, (Mon Sep 17, 7:20 am)
RE: Wasting our Freedom, David Schwartz, (Mon Sep 17, 7:57 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Hannah Schroeter, (Mon Sep 17, 8:06 am)
RE: Wasting our Freedom, David Schwartz, (Mon Sep 17, 8:36 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Sep 16, 5:13 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Hannah Schroeter, (Mon Sep 17, 5:20 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Adrian Bunk, (Mon Sep 17, 9:38 am)
RE: Wasting our Freedom, David Schwartz, (Mon Sep 17, 11:25 am)
Wasting My Time (was Re: Wasting our Freedom), Eric Furman, (Mon Sep 17, 1:14 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Adrian Bunk, (Mon Sep 17, 12:18 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Paul de Weerd, (Mon Sep 17, 11:15 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Adrian Bunk, (Mon Sep 17, 11:38 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Paul de Weerd, (Mon Sep 17, 2:02 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Adrian Bunk, (Mon Sep 17, 2:32 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Paul de Weerd, (Mon Sep 17, 3:27 pm)
RE: Wasting our Freedom, David Schwartz, (Sun Sep 16, 6:37 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Sep 16, 7:09 pm)
RE: Wasting our Freedom, David Schwartz, (Sun Sep 16, 8:29 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Theodore Tso, (Sun Sep 16, 9:19 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Sep 16, 9:44 pm)
RE: Wasting our Freedom, David Schwartz, (Sun Sep 16, 9:40 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Sep 16, 8:57 pm)
RE: Wasting our Freedom, David Schwartz, (Sun Sep 16, 9:35 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Sep 16, 9:51 pm)
RE: Wasting our Freedom, David Schwartz, (Sun Sep 16, 11:37 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Theodore Tso, (Sun Sep 16, 5:12 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Claudio Jeker, (Mon Sep 17, 8:55 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Theodore Tso, (Mon Sep 17, 9:34 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Claudio Jeker, (Mon Sep 17, 3:23 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Theodore Tso, (Mon Sep 17, 4:43 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Henning Brauer, (Tue Sep 18, 5:00 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Marco Peereboom, (Tue Sep 18, 7:29 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Theodore Tso, (Tue Sep 18, 8:56 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Jacob Meuser, (Tue Sep 18, 7:34 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Alan Cox, (Tue Sep 18, 8:24 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Gilles Chehade, (Tue Sep 18, 7:28 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Marco Peereboom, (Tue Sep 18, 1:15 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, frantisek holop, (Tue Sep 18, 11:55 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Denis Doroshenko, (Tue Sep 18, 11:47 am)
Re: Wasting our Bandwidth, Xavier Bestel, (Tue Sep 18, 8:04 am)
Re: Wasting our Bandwidth, Marco Peereboom, (Tue Sep 18, 8:24 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Can E. Acar, (Mon Sep 17, 6:06 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Theodore Tso, (Mon Sep 17, 7:47 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Can E. Acar, (Tue Sep 18, 2:55 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Martin Schlemmer, (Tue Sep 18, 6:24 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Jeff Garzik, (Tue Sep 18, 3:37 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Lennart Sorensen, (Tue Sep 18, 3:04 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Can E. Acar, (Tue Sep 18, 3:51 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Hannah Schroeter, (Mon Sep 17, 7:18 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Krzysztof Halasa, (Mon Sep 17, 9:39 am)
RE: Wasting our Freedom, David Schwartz, (Mon Sep 17, 11:20 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Krzysztof Halasa, (Mon Sep 17, 4:35 pm)
RE: Wasting our Freedom, David Schwartz, (Mon Sep 17, 5:09 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Krzysztof Halasa, (Mon Sep 17, 7:35 pm)
RE: Wasting our Freedom, David Schwartz, (Mon Sep 17, 8:03 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Al Viro, (Mon Sep 17, 8:44 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Theodore Tso, (Mon Sep 17, 3:50 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Theodore Tso, (Mon Sep 17, 8:19 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Jacob Meuser, (Sun Sep 16, 7:16 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Helge Hafting, (Mon Sep 17, 3:47 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Jacob Meuser, (Mon Sep 17, 7:50 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Helge Hafting, (Tue Sep 18, 7:17 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, David Newall, (Mon Sep 17, 9:28 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, , (Sun Sep 16, 7:40 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Ingo Schwarze, (Mon Sep 17, 7:56 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Henning Brauer, (Mon Sep 17, 5:30 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Adrian Bunk, (Mon Sep 17, 8:57 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Ingo Schwarze, (Mon Sep 17, 5:39 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Jason Dixon, (Mon Sep 17, 9:15 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Sean, (Mon Sep 17, 9:27 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Jason Dixon, (Mon Sep 17, 9:33 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Adrian Bunk, (Mon Sep 17, 9:42 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Hans-Jürgen Koch, (Mon Sep 17, 9:19 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Jeff Garzik, (Sun Sep 16, 8:01 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Daniel Hazelton, (Sun Sep 16, 5:11 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Hannah Schroeter, (Mon Sep 17, 5:10 am)
RE: Wasting our Freedom, David Schwartz, (Mon Sep 17, 8:08 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, frantisek holop, (Tue Sep 18, 9:58 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Jeff Garzik, (Sun Sep 16, 3:40 pm)