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From:
J. Bruce Fields <bfields@...>
To: Jeff Garzik <jeff@...>
Cc: Evgeniy Polyakov <johnpol@...>, <netdev@...>, <linux-kernel@...>, <linux-fsdevel@...>
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Re: Distributed storage. Move away from char device ioctls.
Date: Friday, September 14, 2007 - 5:12 pm
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 03:07:46PM -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote:
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> My thoughts. But first a disclaimer: Perhaps you will recall me as one > of the people who really reads all your patches, and examines your code and > proposals closely. So, with that in mind... > > I question the value of distributed block services (DBS), whether its your > version or the others out there. DBS are not very useful, because it still > relies on a useful filesystem sitting on top of the DBS. It devolves into > one of two cases: (1) multi-path much like today's SCSI, with distributed > filesystem arbitrarion to ensure coherency, or (2) the filesystem running > on top of the DBS is on a single host, and thus, a single point of failure > (SPOF). > > It is quite logical to extend the concepts of RAID across the network, but > ultimately you are still bound by the inflexibility and simplicity of the > block device. > > In contrast, a distributed filesystem offers far more scalability, > eliminates single points of failure, and offers more room for optimization > and redundancy across the cluster. > > A distributed filesystem is also much more complex, which is why > distributed block devices are so appealing :) > > With a redundant, distributed filesystem, you simply do not need any > complexity at all at the block device level. You don't even need RAID. > > It is my hope that you will put your skills towards a distributed > filesystem :) Of the current solutions, GFS (currently in kernel) scales > poorly, and NFS v4.1 is amazingly bloated and overly complex. > > I've been waiting for years for a smart person to come along and write a > POSIX-only distributed filesystem.
What exactly do you mean by "POSIX-only"? --b. -
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Distributed storage. Move away from char device ioctls.
, Evgeniy Polyakov
, (Fri Sep 14, 2:54 pm)
Re: Distributed storage. Move away from char device ioctls.
, Jeff Garzik
, (Fri Sep 14, 3:07 pm)
Re: Distributed storage. Move away from char device ioctls.
, Robin Humble
, (Sat Sep 15, 9:56 am)
Re: Distributed storage. Move away from char device ioctls.
, Jeff Garzik
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Re: Distributed storage. Move away from char device ioctls.
, Robin Humble
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Re: Distributed storage. Move away from char device ioctls.
, Andreas Dilger
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Re: Distributed storage. Move away from char device ioctls.
, Evgeniy Polyakov
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Re: Distributed storage. Move away from char device ioctls.
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Re: Distributed storage. Move away from char device ioctls.
, Evgeniy Polyakov
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Re: Distributed storage. Move away from char device ioctls.
, Kyle Moffett
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Re: Distributed storage. Move away from char device ioctls.
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Re: Distributed storage. Move away from char device ioctls.
, Mike Snitzer
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Re: Distributed storage. Move away from char device ioctls.
, Evgeniy Polyakov
, (Sat Sep 15, 8:34 am)
Re: Distributed storage. Move away from char device ioctls.
, J. Bruce Fields
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Re: Distributed storage. Move away from char device ioctls.
, Jeff Garzik
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Re: Distributed storage. Move away from char device ioctls.
, Jeff Garzik
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