Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig

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From: Stefan Richter
Date: Friday, September 14, 2007 - 9:50 am

Adrian Bunk wrote:
[...]

This is one of those "somebody else's .config".


Perhaps.  Although I meant only options which one enables oneself, not
options which are taken over from somebody else's .config.


It surely is unintuitive, and it is one of the worse cases where the
current menu layout is unintuitive.  We have to improve that, even
though it is ultimately impossible to serve everyone's needs equally
well or, generally, make kernel configuration a piece of cake.

Note though, some suggestions which came up here don't actually make the
menus more intuitive.  Notably the patch "Select BLK_DEV_SD for all
SCSI/libata drivers" is counterintuitive in a different color:  It
follows the philosophy of "I know what's good for you and I act on your
behalf behind your back --- trust me, it's for your best".

I too am guilty of proposing the usage of 'select'
(http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/9/8/9) but I suggested a variant which lets
the user stay informed and in control (as far as this is possible with
'select' which always increases complexity, never reduces it).

But rather than adding multiple menu items which enable the same option,
a reorganization of the menus which better reflect the role of SCSI core
and SCSI highlevel might be more effective --- similar to "Networking"
which is separate from "Network device support"
(http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/9/10/5, http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/9/10/115).
-- 
Stefan Richter
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sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig, Folkert van Heusden, (Fri Sep 7, 5:48 am)
Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig, Jan Engelhardt, (Fri Sep 7, 7:40 am)
Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig, Folkert van Heusden, (Fri Sep 7, 7:58 am)
Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig, Randy Dunlap, (Fri Sep 7, 8:35 am)
Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig, Folkert van Heusden, (Fri Sep 7, 8:59 am)
Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig, Stefan Richter, (Fri Sep 7, 9:21 am)
Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig, Krzysztof Halasa, (Fri Sep 7, 12:38 pm)
Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig, Jan Engelhardt, (Fri Sep 7, 4:02 pm)
Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig, Folkert van Heusden, (Fri Sep 7, 4:05 pm)
Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig, Stefan Richter, (Sat Sep 8, 12:05 am)
Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig, Jan Engelhardt, (Sat Sep 8, 12:27 am)
Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig, Jan Engelhardt, (Sat Sep 8, 12:29 am)
Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig, Stefan Richter, (Sat Sep 8, 12:56 am)
Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig, Sam Ravnborg, (Sat Sep 8, 1:43 am)
Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig, Andi Kleen, (Sat Sep 8, 9:07 am)
Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig, Randy Dunlap, (Sat Sep 8, 9:31 am)
Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig, Stefan Richter, (Sat Sep 8, 9:44 am)
Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig, Randy Dunlap, (Sat Sep 8, 9:48 am)
Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig, Randy Dunlap, (Sat Sep 8, 9:50 am)
Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig, Matthew Wilcox, (Sat Sep 8, 9:53 am)
Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig, Andi Kleen, (Sat Sep 8, 11:13 am)
Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig, Stefan Richter, (Sat Sep 8, 11:30 am)
Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig, Andi Kleen, (Sat Sep 8, 12:14 pm)
Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig, Stefan Richter, (Sat Sep 8, 12:32 pm)
Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig, Stefan Richter, (Sat Sep 8, 12:45 pm)
Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig, James Bottomley, (Sun Sep 9, 2:00 pm)
Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig, Andi Kleen, (Sun Sep 9, 2:03 pm)
Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig, Jeff Garzik, (Sun Sep 9, 2:11 pm)
Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig, Andi Kleen, (Sun Sep 9, 2:22 pm)
Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig, James Bottomley, (Sun Sep 9, 2:39 pm)
Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig, Stefan Richter, (Sun Sep 9, 11:38 pm)
Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig, Rene Herman, (Mon Sep 10, 5:43 am)
Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig, Bauke Jan Douma, (Tue Sep 11, 1:16 pm)
Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig, Adrian Bunk, (Wed Sep 12, 3:46 pm)
Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig, Helge Hafting, (Thu Sep 13, 1:50 am)
Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig, Stefan Richter, (Fri Sep 14, 7:54 am)
Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig, Adrian Bunk, (Fri Sep 14, 8:15 am)
Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig, Stefan Richter, (Fri Sep 14, 8:37 am)
Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig, Adrian Bunk, (Fri Sep 14, 9:16 am)
Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig, Goswin von Brederlow, (Fri Sep 14, 9:42 am)
Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig, Stefan Richter, (Fri Sep 14, 9:50 am)
[RFC PATCH] SCSI: split Kconfig menu into two, Stefan Richter, (Fri Sep 14, 11:02 am)
[PATCH] SCSI: trailing whitespace in Kconfig, Stefan Richter, (Fri Sep 14, 11:04 am)
Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig, Stefan Richter, (Fri Sep 14, 11:44 am)
Re: [PATCH] SCSI: update Kconfig help text to indicate SCS ..., Lennart Sorensen, (Fri Sep 14, 11:54 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH] SCSI: split Kconfig menu into two, Sam Ravnborg, (Fri Sep 14, 12:00 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH] SCSI: split Kconfig menu into two, Adrian Bunk, (Fri Sep 14, 12:06 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH] SCSI: split Kconfig menu into two, Stefan Richter, (Fri Sep 14, 1:01 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH] SCSI: split Kconfig menu into two, Stefan Richter, (Fri Sep 14, 1:20 pm)
[PATCH update] SCSI: split Kconfig menu into two, Stefan Richter, (Fri Sep 14, 2:22 pm)
Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig, Paul Rolland, (Sat Sep 15, 1:04 am)
Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig, Stefan Richter, (Sat Sep 15, 1:25 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH] SCSI: split Kconfig menu into two, Adrian Bunk, (Sat Sep 15, 4:40 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH] SCSI: split Kconfig menu into two, Stefan Richter, (Sat Sep 15, 5:24 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH] SCSI: split Kconfig menu into two, Adrian Bunk, (Sat Sep 15, 5:50 am)
Re: sata & scsi suggestion for make menuconfig, Paul Rolland, (Sat Sep 15, 6:00 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH] SCSI: split Kconfig menu into two, Stefan Richter, (Sat Sep 15, 6:20 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH] SCSI: split Kconfig menu into two, Adrian Bunk, (Sat Sep 15, 6:53 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH] SCSI: split Kconfig menu into two, Stefan Richter, (Sat Sep 15, 7:11 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH] SCSI: split Kconfig menu into two, Adrian Bunk, (Sat Sep 15, 7:43 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH] SCSI: split Kconfig menu into two, Stefan Richter, (Sat Sep 15, 8:27 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH] SCSI: split Kconfig menu into two, Jeff Garzik, (Sat Sep 15, 8:44 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH] SCSI: split Kconfig menu into two, Adrian Bunk, (Sat Sep 15, 9:23 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH] SCSI: split Kconfig menu into two, Adrian Bunk, (Sat Sep 15, 9:42 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH] SCSI: split Kconfig menu into two, Bartlomiej Zolnierki ..., (Sat Sep 15, 9:52 am)
[PATCH] x86_64: configure HPET_EMULATE_RTC automatically, Stefan Richter, (Sat Sep 15, 10:13 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH] SCSI: split Kconfig menu into two, Jeff Garzik, (Sat Sep 15, 12:17 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH] SCSI: split Kconfig menu into two, Bartlomiej Zolnierki ..., (Sat Sep 15, 1:54 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH] SCSI: split Kconfig menu into two, Maciej W. Rozycki, (Mon Sep 17, 4:29 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH] SCSI: split Kconfig menu into two, Stefan Richter, (Mon Sep 17, 7:46 am)