* Jesse Barnes (jesse.barnes@intel.com) wrote:Hi Jesse, Thanks for letting everyone know about that paper, however - it has confused me somewhat; there seem to be differences in that description and that described in the 'Intel 64 and IA-32 Architectures Software Developer's Manual' and I'd like to understand whether this paper is designed just to explain points or is actually intended to change what can be expected of the processor. That ordering doc states: 'Loads are not reordered with other loads' Vol3a section 7.2.1 of the architecture manual states: 'Reads can be carried out speculatively and in any order.' Is this a: 1) Change in the definition of the architecture that existing processors actually follow anyway. 2) A difference between what the processor does and what is visible to the software (the intro to this paper does seem to emphasize software visibility more than the architecture manual). 3) Some other difference I haven't spotted. The other thing that made me think about it was that the Itanium Architecture Software Dev Manul vol2 2.1.2 states that the Itanium uses ld.acq/st.rel (acquire/release) references to 'operate according to the IA-32 ordering model.' which I think means that all those loads are in order relative to all the other acquire loads? Dave -- -----Open up your eyes, open up your mind, open up your code ------- / Dr. David Alan Gilbert | Running GNU/Linux on Alpha,68K| Happy \ \ gro.gilbert @ treblig.org | MIPS,x86,ARM,SPARC,PPC & HPPA | In Hex / \ _________________________|_____ http://www.treblig.org |_______/ -
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